Internet porn and the real life: Just like in the movies... - by Kolya
SubJeff on 7/2/2011 at 18:37
Quote Posted by Vasquez
Okay, + IMHO
The sun is cold. IMHO.
:rolleyes:
Vasquez on 7/2/2011 at 19:07
I'm not saying they're the exactly same thing, but I do compare them in the way that both are completely unnecessary mutilations of healthy woman parts. In the documentary there was a 15-year old girl having labioplasty and her mother was encouraging her, not to mention the surgeon who convinced in so many ways how much "nicer" she'll look afterwards. Made me sick, and also IMHO there could be some questions of how exactly voluntary it can be called in case of a minor.
Then again, I also have no clue why young, healthy, pretty girls want boob-, nose- and whatever -jobs done to make them... Prettier? Better? Happier? But I'm probably just old-fashioned.
Fingernail on 7/2/2011 at 19:15
I think she's saying (although confusingly) that it's LIKE female circumcision, in that it's mutilating and unnecessary, but voluntary whereas female circumcision is often involuntary.
But I agree, it does sound like she's saying cosmetic surgery = female circumcision.
EDIT: hey I was right, just too slow
Vasquez on 7/2/2011 at 19:27
Quote Posted by Fingernail
(although confusingly)
Sorry, maybe I really should consider those English lessons.
Fingernail on 7/2/2011 at 20:00
Actually, had I replied first I would've probably thought about it and come up with the explanation I wrote, but Subjeff was a bit too quick to condemn OMG WRONG WORD
SubJeff on 7/2/2011 at 20:44
Sometimes a specific word IS important. He's alive. He's dead. OMG WRONG WORD. Shut up.
In the context of Vasquez's opinion it's very important as labioplasty is NOT circumcision. I agree with Vasquez's position on this type of "tidying" surgery though, but only because I (now) know that she knows the difference between this and circumcision.
Fingernail on 7/2/2011 at 21:29
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
I agree with Vasquez's position on this type of "tidying" surgery though, but only
because I (now) know that she knows the difference between this and circumcision.
So your inclination to agree with someone's argument is based on whether they themselves pass your knowledge test, not on the merits of the argument itself? That's a curious position.
You could have been more helpful initially, rather than dismissive (even condescending) because as it turned out she knew the difference all along (and what she said didn't explicitly state that she thought that one equalled the other anyway, that remains an assumption - the assumption that it's more likely she's ignorant than it is that she'd make a linguistic mistake).
the_grip on 7/2/2011 at 22:42
I'm glad when I was in college and delivered pizzas for some ching that Internet porn wasn't available. I might have been confused to discover that not all women who have pizzas delivered want to have it put to them in forty different positions by the delivery man.
It's hard to distinguish between real life and porn sometimes, especially for pizza delivery guys.
EDIT: In other news...
Good stuff Stitch, and I hope that honeymoon season goes on for a long time.
Scots Taffer on 7/2/2011 at 22:57
Quote Posted by Kolya
I'm not sure porn actually provides idealised sex, as Scots said. That's just what its ubiquity suggests, that what you see regularly was the ideal sex of the majority.
Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear. I'm not restricting my point of view purely to hardcore pornography and the extremes it may be pushing to survive in a waning industry. My view is that the more ubiquitous form of porn isn't even the stuff that's particularly hardcore - all the two naked chicks pressing together on magazine covers etc is still far more explicit than anything than would've been allowed even 10 years ago on the shelves of regular stores not on the top shelf or behind the counter - and that's the stuff that I'd say is the more potent social force (and not for good).
I understand your latter point: we always want what we can't have, or the grass is always greener effect, and I think it relates to my point particularly well - people are so saturated in media and allowing themselves to be told what to want and what is "ideal" (particularly with regard to women and their bodies, as Vas has gotten on topic about) that they are becoming unhappy in their lives due to unrealistic expectations.
And yeah, props to Stitch for his honesty.
SubJeff on 7/2/2011 at 23:06
Quote Posted by Fingernail
So your inclination to agree with someone's argument is based on whether they themselves pass your knowledge test, not on the merits of the argument itself? That's a curious position.
It's not a knowledge test you frothing idiot - if you state you believe in X why should I automatically think you believe in Y, which I believe in, and so think we have the same belief?
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You could have been more helpful initially, rather than dismissive (even condescending) because as it turned out she knew the difference all along (and what she said didn't explicitly state that she thought that one equalled the other anyway, that remains an assumption - the assumption that it's more likely she's ignorant than it is that she'd make a linguistic mistake).
I think it's far more condescending of you to think she made a linguistic mistake. I don't think she did, but in fact whilst knowing the difference between circumcision and labioplasty does equate them somewhat. That's a position I don't take though I can perfectly understand why one would take it.
It just wasn't clear that Vasquez did realise the difference because her initial post on the subject
does look like she thinks that the cosmetic procedures are the same as involuntary circumcision. Read it again. And go to the back of the class.
:rolleyes:
