DarthMRN on 31/7/2006 at 11:01
Quote Posted by ZylonBane
Constantine, however, proved his assertion rather effectively.
Yeah, by being limited by a 1998 game engine. Some god.
ZylonBane on 31/7/2006 at 13:41
Quote Posted by DarthMRN
Yeah, by being limited by a 1998 game engine. Some god.
That statement does not make any sense at all.
Goldmoon Dawn on 31/7/2006 at 17:43
Darth?
Need I remind you that the core Thief following fell in love with a game that wasn't known for its overall graphics to begin with? Must have been *some* game!
Imagination is key.
ZylonBane on 31/7/2006 at 18:42
Apparently Darth thinks true gods should act like Doom 3 imps.
Werewolfintheshadows on 31/7/2006 at 19:15
Here is "my" theory, humble as it may be (some of you may even harken this to the never-ending mapping out the city project)=
Thief is the greatest game conceived.
The Thief world is set in medieval Europe - don't believe me? It's quoted by the creators of the game. So everyone who said it's meant to take place in parallel universe, like a primitive version of Sliders, should go double their dosage.
That maybe, Constantine/The Trickster isn't exactly a God as we define it, i.e. one with infinite power and wisdom and immortality (since he clearly has none of these) - he's probably best described as a demon with strong and yet limited magical powers.
The eye - it's a unique artifact with magical properties that can be manipulated by the holder once activated, it's been used by both keepers and the trickster and it clearly has value.
Bottom line- It's an amazing game, one that should be hailed and preserved and expanded in my opinion, but it's still a game, not a way of life.....that's what prisons are for, and judging by some comments here, the justification for mental institutions too. Happy gaming :D
ZylonBane on 31/7/2006 at 19:21
Quote Posted by Werewolfintheshadows
The Thief world is set in medieval Europe
Huh, I must have missed the chapter in history class about Hammerites and Precursors and zombies and giant spiders. :rolleyes:
Goldmoon Dawn on 31/7/2006 at 19:28
Quote Posted by Werewolfintheshadows
That maybe, Constantine/The Trickster isn't exactly a God as we define it
God meaning the "Old Gods" in Thief speak. Someone else already nailed the religion thing. Remember?
Quote Posted by Werewolfintheshadows
The eye - it's a unique artifact with magical properties that can be manipulated by the holder once activated, it's been used by both keepers and the trickster and it clearly has value.
Truth. Yet those origins are so damn fleeting!
Solabusca on 31/7/2006 at 20:12
Quote Posted by ZylonBane
Huh, I must have missed the chapter in history class about Hammerites and Precursors and zombies and giant spiders. :rolleyes:
Don't worry, I'm sure the proof will ben provided shortly.
.j.
Solabusca on 31/7/2006 at 20:23
Quote Posted by Werewolfintheshadows
That maybe, Constantine/The Trickster isn't exactly a God as we define it, i.e. one with infinite power and wisdom and immortality (since he clearly has none of these) - he's probably best described as a demon with strong and yet limited magical powers.
Or something more akin to the more "human" gods of ancient religions - more like a Greek or Norse god. Insanely powerful, yes, but still not omnipotent/omniscient as the Judean deity is commonly portrayed.
Oh, and DarthMRN... try to let Connie notice you when swapping out the stones. What happens? You die. You just... start dying. No big pyrotechnics necessary.
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The eye - it's a unique artifact with magical properties that can be manipulated by the holder once activated, it's been used by both keepers and the trickster and it clearly has value.
Now this, this is a pretty solid assessment. The Eye was most likely a very powerful magic artifact (mystic battery, reality matrix, whatever) even before the Keepers made it Sentient. I don't think it ever really
had anything to do with the Trickster - he didn't craft it, he just needed it to make his Dark Project work. And if you reread his description of the ritual, it talks about how the Eye can See things - and what it Sees becomes real.
.j.
Goldmoon Dawn on 31/7/2006 at 23:48
Quote Posted by SolidAndShade
Most players infer that Constanine was just a form the Trickster took, but there's nothing saying that's the case. I don't know that it alters the known story, since the origins of Constantine and Viktoria are never really stated.
In the simplest of terms, Constantines origins are in fact *well* conveyed. Through overall storyline, the two cutscenes in particular, and readable things everywhere in the game.
The entire nature of the Constantine character is summed up by trickery. From the first moment, the player has a sense of forboding about this character, and strange things obviously happen (the vines growing up a chair). The whole point was that the player *knew* a surprise was coming, but didn't know when or what. The reason is because Constantine was tricking them the whole way through. He didnt exist until arriving in The City out of the blue to trick this guy and become the Trickster. The stuff in his bedroom and the secret area in his mansion seems more like correspondance from Vicktorias "mysterious tree people". :)
I thought I had read in a crumbly old papyrus somewhere that Constantine was a nobleman from a previous life, and the Trickster was a fallen nobleman from a previous life, bent on revenge for what happened between them? Yeah, and then, Constantine tried to escape him to The City, where the Trickster finally tracked him down........ which, my friends, explains the Eye. The Trickster's pod landed in the Haunted Cathedral. The Eye *was* the Trickster secretly hiding inside... Constantine foolishly believed in this bauble (compliments of Vicky), and once it was fused to his hands the Trickster came back for some overdue revenge! Oh yeah, I wrote it down then I read it. :p
