Aja on 5/8/2009 at 19:25
Quote Posted by Rogue Keeper
That's why the sarcastic nickname "GayPhone" is justified. It's about design, fashion and status in the first place, not about superior reliability/durability/adaptability.
STOP POSTING
Matthew on 5/8/2009 at 19:47
Christ on a bike, do you have any conception of the legal system in practice
at all? I'm assuming the answer is no, otherwise you wouldn't be highlighting the terrible case of Apple
putting the same clause in a compensation agreement that around 99% of defendants both corporate and personal in every type of compensation case ever have put in. I mean
God, normal legal theory does not magically acquire some evil twist just because it's Apple using it.
And the passive-aggressive editing of your post does you no favours.
the_grip on 6/8/2009 at 02:56
Zooloretto bitches, out from the boardgame to the iPhone.
And I can vouch that the iPhone hangs quite a bit and does some funky shit a la Windows stylee.
Rogue Keeper on 6/8/2009 at 11:37
Quote Posted by Matthew
Christ on a bike, do you have any conception of the legal system in practice
at all? I'm assuming the answer is no, otherwise you wouldn't be highlighting the terrible case of Apple
putting the same clause in a compensation agreement that around 99% of defendants both corporate and personal in every type of compensation case ever have put in. I mean
God, normal legal theory does not magically acquire some evil twist just because it's Apple using it.
And the passive-aggressive editing of your post does you no favours.
And you are overreacting like hell from the beginning. Observe what brand identity did to you. Somebody looks ugly at your favourite toy and you are jumping as if somebody punched you right into the face. Because iPHONE IS YOU. You really need to understand certain psychological marketing communication strategies better to avoid that kind of susceptibility to commercial manipulation with yourself as a consumer.
But let's go back to the beginning.
"It's an excellent device for making a call, sending a text message, monitoring my email and checking the football scores on the 8th green of the golf course."
Hot damn, those are comparatively advantageous features this world has never seen. You do realize it sounds naively ignorant and in some way intelligence insulting, right? Try to sell a phone with such line today. As if all the others were still using Victorian telegraph or something. You can send Text Messages and check e-mails! I have no clue what it is. I think I din't follow progress in telecommunication technologies well enough in last 20 years. I don't know how you, but when I'm on lookout for new product and study reviews for little personal market research, I'm comparing features and look for something on product C, what products A and B don't offer. Why I should be crapped by awe over product C just because somebody told me I can make calls with it and send text messages, I don't know.
The case described in the article (of which I've been notified after that OK post, really) is dirty blackmailing, plain and simple. And no reasonable person would sign a letter which looks like a practice of organized criminals. No, I don't know obscure specifics of UK legal system, but I know that everywhere in civilized world one would shake off a nice pile of cash out of the company if the accident caused harm to health or property of the customer. I'm waiting for your contemplation over legal theory if that thing, God forbid, blows right next to your face and damages your eye or hearing.
Actually screw all lawyers of the world, they only complicate lives of honest and hard working people by inventing stupid acts and then they suck ugly money from them by interpreting those stupid acts. Bloated, self-feeding, freedom-choking legal systems and their mercenaries. Ah, I feel better now saying it. Nothing personal of course.
Also, I suspect the Apple thingies are maybe highly popular in the lawyer community, but I'm grateful to my friend, a Siemens developer, for supplying me with stories like that one and for making me sober everytime I get munchies for stupidity full of catches, offered in a nice package and supported by advertising campaign of mass destruction.
Why are you defending corporate greed, customer ignorance and overhyped products with a dubious history of safety, remains a mystery to me. You aren't even paid for it. It's probably because like I said before - your favourite brand of choice is YOU.
And I'll keep making an ass of that thing now and then, simply because I like it. I'll keep making ass of it's girlie design, of it's shitty safety, of it's numerous bothering DRM locks and of iTunes where masses are willing to pay for retarded songs with 3 months longevity and so on. And you'll have to live with it somehow, happy customer, simply because you don't have much choice.
"An unsanctioned multimedia file type has been detected in the phone. You will be consequentially punished by automatic self-destruction of your lovely device in T minus 3, 2, 1, ROFL!"N'Al on 6/8/2009 at 11:57
Stop being such an idiot.
Neither Matthew nor anyone else here said that by "making a call, sending a text message, monitoring my email and checking the football scores on the 8th green of the golf course" the iPhone was letting you do stuff that other phones couldn't. You're barking up the wrong tree here.
Vivian on 6/8/2009 at 12:00
Does 'making ass' sound less gay on whatever planet you come from?
Matthew on 6/8/2009 at 12:12
I can't believe I'm going to dignify that diatribe with a response, but here goes.
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And you are overreacting like hell from the beginning. Observe on yourself what brand identity did to you. Somebody looks ugly at your favourite toy and you are jumping as if somebody punched you right into the face. Because iPHONE IS YOU.
Rubbish. You reacted to a four month old post just to stir shit against the newest target in your jihad against corporate consumerism, whereupon I told you I wasn't going to debate the issue. You don't like the iPhone?
I don't care. You can hate it all you like, it doesn't change my opinion of it and I don't care about changing your opinion of it.
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You really need to understand certain psychological marketing communication strategies better to avoid that kind of susceptibility to commercial manipulation with yourself as a consumer.
No. I used an iPhone, I liked it, end of story. All my decisions were taken after reading articles on trade websites etc and after a hands-on trial.
Do you honestly think you are the first person to realise that reading reviews makes you better able to discern the right product to buy? I read six reviews before I bought a bloody
coffee tamper, for heaven's sake - do you really think I didn't do the same before I bought a phone?
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Hot damn, those are comparatively advantageous features this world has never seen. You do realize it sounds naively ignorant and in some way intelligence insulting, right?
I'm sorry if you feel insulted, but what else do I need from a phone? Why should I buy your vaunted 'product C' if whatever features it has are ones I will never use? What else do I
need from a phone? Why shouldn't I buy the phone that performs all those duties well?
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The case described in the article (ow which I've been notified after that OK post, really) is dirty blackmailing, plain and simple. And no reasonable person would sign a letter which looks like a practice of organized criminals. No, I don't know obscure specifics of UK legal system, but I know that everywhere in civilized world one would shake off a nice pile of cash out of the company if the accident caused harm to health or property of the customer. I'm waiting for your contemplation over legal theory if that thing, God forbid, blows right next to your face and damages your eye or hearing.
If that is the case then your lawyer will tell you that you should take the matter to court to get a better deal/higher compensation than you are being offered. A confidentiality clause in a compensation
settlement is an absolutely bog-standard piece of boilerplate legal writing.
How are they being blackmailed in any way, shape or form? They aren't being denied the option of speaking to the media, they aren't being denied the right to litigate their action instead, all they are being asked to do is that
if they accept the compensation monies offered that they do not discuss the matter further.
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Actually screw all lawyers of the world, they only complicate lives of honest and hard workig people by inventing stupid acts and then they suck ugly money from them by interpreting those stupid acts. Bloated, self-feeding, freedom-choking legal systems and their mercenaries. Ah, I feel better now saying it. Nothing personal of course.
Of course it's personal, and don't try to fucking insult my intelligence by saying it isn't. You have come in here with a mad-on against me and against my profession and using weasel words like 'nothing personal' will not hide it.
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Also, I suspect the Apple thingies are maybe highly popular in the lawyer community
I'm the only one I know with one. Really old Nokias are still the brand of choice, as far as I can see, with a growing liking for Blackberries.
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Why are you defending corporate greed, customer ignorance and overhyped products with a dubious history of safety, remains a mystery to me. You aren't even paid for it. It's probably because like I said before - your favourite brand of choice is YOU.
Point out to me where I have done that and you might actually have a case for me to answer. Schooling you on standard legal practice doesn't count, by the way.
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And I'll keep making an ass of that thing now and then, simply because I like it. I'll keep making ass of it's girlie design, of it's shitty safety, of it's numerous bothering DRM locks and of iTunes where masses are willing to pay for retarded songs with 3 months longevity and so on. And you'll have to live with it somehow, happy customer, simply because you don't have much choice.
That's entirely your right to make yourself look like a numpty. Meanwhile, I'll enjoy using my so-far flawlessly-operating phone with unlimited usage of my DRM-free iTunes music for an unlimited period of time, I guess. Until I decide to dump it for something new, of course.
What is it that
really bothers you about what I've said? Is it pride? If it is, be assured that I'm not trying to score points off you or anything of the sort - I'd be quite happy never to discuss the issue with you ever again. Is it some kind of crusade against corporations? All well and good, but a thread discussing which little apps we like isn't the best place to do it. Is it an mad-on against my profession? In that case I really can't help you - but I hope you are never in a situation where you will have to rely on a 'mercenary' like me to, oh, buy or sell a house or something 'freedom-choking' like that.
Edit: and one last point. Are you
honestly accusing a man who owns a replica Green Lantern battery of buying a phone to look like a
hipster?Rogue Keeper on 6/8/2009 at 12:13
Quote Posted by N'Al
Stop being such an idiot.
Neither Matthew nor anyone else here said that by
"making a call, sending a text message, monitoring my email and checking the football scores on the 8th green of the golf course" the iPhone was letting you do stuff that other phones couldn't. You're barking up the wrong tree here.
Why, was you who suggested that iPhone owners may be "pompous asses" and then stroked it out, but still keeping it generally visible. So tell me, why you had this idea that you may be - in your words - a "pompous ass"? Maybe that's the problem - I keep waiting for someone to show me what amazing it can do and why it is superior, so I can feel like a "pompous ass."
Matthew : Now by clearing my position well enough I consider the argument finished. By reacting to me, you still care.
N'Al on 6/8/2009 at 12:39
Oh come now, even you can't tell me you didn't realise my "pompous ass" comment is meant as a joke; not a very good one, admittedly, but a joke nonetheless. I mean, it's even got a strikethrough going through it!
Clearly there are still people out there - hint: you are one of them - who believe that anyone owning an iPhone (or any Apple product for that matter) is simply buying into the image and deluding themselves as to the actual quality of the product. Yes, there is certainly an image associated with the iPhone that we are buying into (don't for one second believe we're not aware of that!), but the fact that all of us here are telling you that the iPhone is a good quality product in and of itself* - which is something we know through extensive use of the thing - seems to elude you.
* i.e. it does what we need it to do.
Rogue Keeper on 6/8/2009 at 12:48
Not very good one joke isn't a joke. Try making better jokes next time. One can always make excuses "I was joking and you didn't get it yoooo!"
I've seen the iPod satisfaction pies, thanks. But these pies don't tell me anything about sophistication of expectations and previous experiences with other products.
Of course I can't take 3-4 people on boards as a sensible market segment.
