june gloom on 21/4/2014 at 19:28
Modern video games aren't breeding anything, you insufferable bananahead. If people are dumb it's not because of Call of Duty, but the other way around.
Tony_Tarantula on 21/4/2014 at 19:39
Quote Posted by dethtoll
Modern video games aren't breeding anything, you insufferable bananahead. If people are dumb it's not because of Call of Duty, but the other way around.
It's a resonant/cyclical effect, not a cause and effect. They both amplify each other.
For the aspect of games contributing to stupidity, I assume that you have enough knowledge of psychological studies to know what a Skinner's Box are. Modern video games accelerate stupidity by continually using that mechanism to reward the player for numbly following the game's orders. Most modern shooters do it, but Call of Duty is a good example because that sequence shows that the games break down completely when the player does anything other than instantly follow directions.
Even modern "sandbox" games like GTA rely heavily on Skinnerian gameplay mechanics when compared to old school Sandbox games, or even modern but retro-inspired ones like Minecraft.
june gloom on 21/4/2014 at 19:52
No.
Tony_Tarantula on 21/4/2014 at 19:53
Quote Posted by dethtoll
No.
I'm guessing somebody's a COD fan.
june gloom on 21/4/2014 at 20:16
I'm guessing someone is fucking autistic.
Fuck off.
ZylonBane on 21/4/2014 at 21:03
He said a COD fan, not an OCD fan.
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
For the aspect of games contributing to stupidity, I assume that you have enough knowledge of psychological studies to know what a Skinner's Box are.
I have enough knowledge to knowledgificate that it's called a Skinner Box.
Renzatic on 21/4/2014 at 21:18
Quote Posted by ZylonBane
I have enough knowledge to knowledgificate that it's called a Skinner Box.
If you were really cool, you'd call it an Operant Conditioning Chamber.
...but this whole conversation comparing Call of Duty to goddamn Skinner Boxes is so goddamn stupid that goddamn, it's stupid. I mean what exactly is COD training you to do? Nothing! It's not causing you to develop any reflexive actions based on certain stimuli. It's not conditioning you in any what whatsoever. It's just leading you by the nose through a bunch of heavily scripted action sequences. It's no more a Skinner Box than a movie is.
Call it what it is: a Lightly Interactive Action Film. Unless you're playing it online, which is, in my opinion, the true focus of any COD game.
ZylonBane on 21/4/2014 at 21:37
Most MMOs though, now those things are unabashed Skinner Boxen.
june gloom on 21/4/2014 at 21:48
"you ever notice that you never hear wow stories like me and a bunch of my friends did this quest and we killed a huge dragon and it was awesome, it's always bitching? as far as i can tell a lot of people play the game but no one seems to ENJOY it, it's like a carrot on a stick gag except when you get the carrot you find out it's really a parsnip. they're like 'if you want the actual carrot you gotta get the expansion!' but then? ANOTHER PARSNIP. btw i want to go literal and totally off topic here for a second: as a kid i saw that carrot on a stick gag a lot of times in cartoons and whatnot. not being a huge fan of carrots myself i wondered how that could possibly work i mean are horses really that much into a damn carrot? i found out that yeah, they basically are: when i was a kid my parents would occasionally take us to this resort that was basically a dude ranch type setting, spend a week there and all that shit in upstate new york, and me and my sister would go to the kitchen and get like bunches of carrots from the chef and take it to the horses and lemme tell you, they got sight of those things they'd come running over pushing each other and shit. carrots are like crack to them. anyway the point of my story (other than assuring you that horses are nuts) i think if you tried a parsnip fakeout on a horse they'd bite your head off. therefore horses are smarter than wow fans."
Tony_Tarantula on 21/4/2014 at 22:02
Quote Posted by Renzatic
If you were really cool, you'd call it an Operant Conditioning Chamber.
...but this whole conversation comparing Call of Duty to goddamn Skinner Boxes is so goddamn stupid that goddamn, it's stupid. I mean what exactly is COD training you to do? Nothing! It's not causing you to develop any reflexive actions based on certain stimuli. It's not conditioning you in any what whatsoever.
There's some beta-tester stories that indicate otherwise:
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http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/09/21/dishonored-clues-hints/)
Quote:
"People would just walk around during playtesting of the 'Lady Boyle' mission," Dishonored executive producer Julien Roby said. "They didn't know what to do. They didn't even go upstairs because a guard told them they couldn't. They'd say, 'Okay, I can't go upstairs.' They wouldn't do anything."
One aspect of the conditioning is that current AA titles teach you to take every instruction at face value, and to play along with what the game's environment wants you to do. The idea of trying to subvert the game's environment was completely alien to the testers.
