jtr7 on 14/2/2009 at 08:52
Proto (first) Agonist (struggling actor/character)
Anti (against) Agonist (struggling actor/character)
Garrett is the first actor/character, and through his eyes and experiences we witness the unfolding of his struggle, and his triumphs over them. Garrett's an unwitting hero, and only when things get dire and at the point of no return will he accept what needs to be done to save himself/his future/his livelihood/The City. He is a hero, but not a "good" man overall, and he is the main character of the story, who's shoes the player fills. The game allows the player to outright contradict the story, potentially introducing continuity errors galore. Garrett would almost enjoy being the savior of The City, but there's just too much baggage, too much sacrifice, and he hates being hounded by the Keepers.
Xenith on 15/2/2009 at 10:51
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Whatever. If you wish, Garrett is the main hero.
Nice way of saving yourself out of a debate.:rolleyes:
Anyway, you asked: Does the events revolve around Garrett? Is he, for want of a better word, crucial for the story, for the events that befall/fell in the City?
Can there be any answer besides "yes"? Yes, events revolve around him, even if at first he's just a bystander. Yes, he is crucial for the story because from what we know the Thief universe might have ended with TDP.
Is there really that much thought to put into it?
Herr_Garrett on 15/2/2009 at 11:19
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Nice way of saving yourself out of a debate.:rolleyes:
Anyway, you asked: Does the events revolve around Garrett? Is he, for want of a better word, crucial for the story, for the events that befall/fell in the City?
Can there be any answer besides "yes"? Yes, events revolve around him, even if at first he's just a bystander. Yes, he is crucial for the story because from what we know the Thief universe might have ended with TDP.
Is there really that much thought to put into it?
What's the point of a debate if neither party may be convinced? :p
Solabusca on 16/2/2009 at 01:22
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What's the point of a debate if neither party may be convinced? :p
Ah, but part of the problem, Herr_Garrett, is that you seem to have entered into the debate with the full intention of not being convinced, no matter how much evidence is presented you.
.j.
Zechs Zero on 16/2/2009 at 10:22
Garrett is an antihero: there's nothing superhuman about him, nothing he does is going against his own good in favor of the many. Instead he's a sarcastic lovable bastard drawn into other people's wars.
If you want to know what a hero is, don't go for "deconstruction" theories written 20 years ago for comics. Learn the etymology from the greek Epic poems which made the concept. Personally I can't stand how nowadays tv series and comics are all about characters changing, but it's always a pile of cliches: they are more interested in the change itself, than the actual quality of what they are.
Herr_Garrett on 16/2/2009 at 20:56
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Ah, but part of the problem, Herr_Garrett, is that you seem to have entered into the debate with the full intention of not being convinced, no matter how much evidence is presented you.
.j.
Seemed, possibly. But please do not try to deduce my intentions from 7500 kms away.
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nothing he does is going against his own good in favor of the many
Well, I personally think that all of DS is about that. And deconstructivism has some good points, altough certainly not in architecture. Yes, it has become a trend, as sooner all later everything does, and 'tis bad for it. I do not like it too much either.
About the definition of hero, and ήρως, have you considered Achilles? Him doing anything for the greater good of the many over his? And yet he is the archetype of hero.
