Peanuckle on 21/12/2015 at 01:25
His ultimate goals seem fairly neutral for most (living in a tribal village isn't much worse than living in a slum), but the methods he goes about to reach them are definitely evil. Invading the world with monsters, killing civilians, orchestrating massive disasters, etc. The bodycount would be insane and that's why he had to be stopped. Also, pre-mission texts tell us that he holds the purity of nature equivalent with human life. When he heard that humans were carving stones and cutting wood beams for houses, he sent monsters to kill them and build houses out of their bodies.
He has a very particular view of how the world should work and is willing to commit atrocity to keep it that way. So yes, I'd call him evil.
Yandros on 21/12/2015 at 04:31
I would say that the Builder/Hammerite and Trickster/Pagan mythos are based squarely on the order/chaos dichotomy, rather than good/evil. And thus the interpretation of either as good or evil becomes a morally relativistic exercise.
TriangleTooth on 21/12/2015 at 18:38
I'd say of the three there's a strong argument he's the least evil - Karras wanted to wipe out all life, and Gamall was purely sadistic and selfish with no real ideology. He seemed to genuinely think humanity would be better off living in the dark surrounded by terrifying monsters, like the good old days. He was obviously very misguided but still, better than the others.
Purgator on 21/12/2015 at 20:21
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He seemed to genuinely think humanity would be better off living in the dark surrounded by terrifying monsters, like the good old days.
Hmm, sounds like good ol' Ronnie Reagan.
Ye Gods! The Trickster's a Republican!
Random_Taffer on 21/12/2015 at 23:36
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From the christian/builderian point of view everything that's natural, strong, beautiful, clean, funny or smart _is_ evil (you can remember church's repressions for science, music, poetry and hygiene;))
Pardon me while my brain melts out of the back of my head. :rolleyes:
Pretty much what Yandros and Melan said, though.
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Hmm, sounds like good ol' Ronnie Reagan.
Ye Gods! The Trickster's a Republican!
Nah, the Trickster is more like a climate activist.
NOBODY CARES FOR THE WOODS ANYMORE!
Vae on 22/12/2015 at 04:09
The Hippy Lord smokes the Jacksberry with the Honeymaker!
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Is the Trickster meant to be "evil"?
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In the THIEF Universe, Good and Evil play a secondary role, with their importance being diminished by the dominant forces of Chaos and Order that saturate The World*. For The Builder god, Good and Evil actions are simply utilized as a means for victory for Order...the same can be said for The Trickster god, as well (victory for Chaos). To either god, Good and Evil are only relevant as tools to achieve their ultimate ends.
hard thief kyd on 27/12/2015 at 17:39
The Trickster is a godfool.
Increasing on 7/1/2016 at 15:13
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From the christian/builderian point of view everything that's natural, strong, beautiful, clean, funny or smart _is_ evil (you can remember church's repressions for science, music, poetry and hygiene;)). If common folks don't see any evil in listed - they help it with tales in which all natural, devilish turned out to be bad, to "kill all humans".
So main prejudices/superstitions are just reflected in this game's plot.
Pretty much this.
Not to mention that Good and Evil are very much christian concepts (or Hammerite ones in case of the Thief universe, since they are basically like militant, even more violent and repressive christians).
Random_Taffer on 7/1/2016 at 17:06
Yeah, Good and Evil definitely didn't exist as concepts before 33 AD. :rolleyes:
IIRC from interviews with LGS, the Hammerites were supposed to be more like a Rosicrucian order.
