Aja on 22/3/2014 at 02:09
I also kinda liked Heritage, too. It was pleasant.
june gloom on 22/3/2014 at 02:14
I'm afraid I can't help you anymore.
To give Opeth credit, their turning into a Pain of Salvation clone was what pushed me into expanding my music tastes.
icemann on 22/3/2014 at 07:10
Quote Posted by dethtoll
Yeah, that's right, I called prog boring -- and Porcupine Tree is a major offender in that regard.
To be fair, a blanket condemnation of an entire sub/genre is kind of meaningless, I admit that, but most of the bands that progzombies jerk themselves into a stomachache over -- Porcupine Tree, Pain of Salvation, the last 6 years of Opeth, and Dream Theater, especially before Portnoy left, and so many others -- just aren't that good. Prog was at its best in the 70s and 80s.
Dream Theater I agree are quite boring. Couple of their songs are good, but the majority sound quite samey. Hell even Opeth I can only handle in doses.
But I completely disagree on PT. My favorite band currently. I will say that when they first went onto Progressive up to Fear of a Blank Planet is their best stuff. Stuff after is good, just not anywhere near as good. Though it all depends on what you liked to start with. To me I grew up Loving Metallica, Gun'sn'Roses and especially Faith No More (of which I still listen to semi-regulary), and for me PT made for a good continuation of that.
demagogue on 22/3/2014 at 08:41
This thread inspired me to look into what industrial metal is up to these days, and apparently it got repackaged and people are calling it cyber metal or whatever. Anyway, after listening to a lot, these are the bands I liked -- Herrscaft, Illidience, Sybreed, Combichrist, Synthetic Breed, & Mechina. (Ok, and Birthday Massacre, but that's not something great to admit in a thread like this.) There's also ATR, Rammstein, NIN, Ministry, and every hard band that's ever put an electronic arpeggio in their songs of course.
SubJeff on 22/3/2014 at 12:58
I must be getting old as I just get put of by the names. Mechina? Sybreed? :roll eyes:
I'll have a listen though I suppose.
And will no one help me with that video? I know one of you posted it. :(
Aja on 22/3/2014 at 23:18
Quote Posted by icemann
But I completely disagree on PT. My favorite band currently.
I still have a soft spot for PT's "Signfiy" album. "In Absentia" is solid, too, albeit much more modern sounding. Neither are prog.
june gloom on 23/3/2014 at 01:17
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I must be getting old as I just get put of by the names. Mechina? Sybreed? :roll eyes:
I'll have a listen though I suppose.
I'm the same way, and I've been rolling my eyes at these names for some years now.
demagogue on 23/3/2014 at 01:45
I won't disagree. You can already tell from my post I was skeptical when people started calling it cyber metal.
Industrial metal has historically been close to my heart and I just bought a new keyboard and want to be inspired, so I was hoping at least interesting things were still happening with the music.
I think some of the bands I posted are trying too hard, but I'm a sucker for a tortured & phased electronic grind over a hard guitar riff; what can I say...
scumble on 23/3/2014 at 13:45
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Before I start, I just want to point out that Dillinger Escape Plan is garbage. Stop listening to it before it completely ruins your taste.
I'm not keen on statements like that as they are dangerously close to "I didn't like it so it's garbage". I seem to be unusual in wanting to explain why I find something appealing or dull - I suppose not everyone can do it in musical language.
I don't listen to them that much, but I find what they do interesting. They play fast chromatic scales while throwing in all sorts of rhythmic changes.
I think what you like doesn't have enough happening in it for me. I can see Isis has a more ambient sound, with "In Fiction" the same groove is going on for 9 minutes with only changes in dynamics. It doesn't speed up, slow down or change tonality. I'm not saying it's bad, I was just jumping through it to each minute to see if anything changed. Maybe I'm impatient. As it happens the next track on Panopticon was more engaging.
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Speaking of Opeth, Damnation was their last really good album.
For me the first half of Blackwater Park is the best. They could have done with releasing less albums and leaving more of the average tracks out. I read that they created Deliverance and Damnation so they could split the heavy and less heavy tracks. I thought what made Blackwater Park good was the transition from Bleak to Harvest. They recorded Deliverance and Damnation back to back apparently. I don't know why they didn't choose the best songs and put them in one album.
scumble on 23/3/2014 at 13:55
Quote Posted by demagogue
I think some of the bands I posted are trying too hard, but I'm a sucker for a tortured & phased electronic grind over a hard guitar riff; what can I say...
I use spotify a lot and found a bunch of "Cyber metal" bands suggested while browsing. I found this odd band called (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS0iwib14vA&list=PLE49E9D72307B026D) Angelspit which seemed to have been linked to a bunch of death metal bands. There sound appears to come from overdriven analogue synths, but it sounds guitarish in places.
Apparently Angelspit is related to this duo. They actually have a song called (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68whrYypz9E) Hammerzeit. I'm wondering if there is some weird genre of Neo-Nazi metal now. Could just be a joke of course. [edit] Apparently it's this (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neue_Deutsche_Härte). Who keeps inventing music genres? [edit 2]I should have seen the obvious tongue in cheekness with an album called
Born to be Heiled