Queue on 30/1/2014 at 05:15
Quote Posted by jtbalogh
Not a fair comparison when talking about better. In the end, I can still hug and prop both a cassette and the better CD/DVD of thief. I can never hug or prop digital bits even if on a better cray super computer. Or, I stand corrected and we can in the Matrix.
What?
june gloom on 30/1/2014 at 06:35
Who the hell hugs their property? Unless it's a stuffed animal or a really kept girlfriend (or boyfriend) property isn't huggable as a rule.
Cigam on 30/1/2014 at 10:36
Quote Posted by Jah
The point I'm trying to make is that some people's reluctance or refusal to buy games in digital format appears to be based on the belief that owning a physical copy inherently better guarantees that you'll be able to play the game X years from now. I would argue that this isn't necessarily the case, or that under the right circumstances, a digital copy would be much more convenient.
When Valve has gone bust and Steam been turned off, X years from now, not only will you lose all the games you hadn't already downloaded and backed up to some other media, you won't be able to install the ones you have backed up since there will be no Steam to satisfy their DRM requirements, on install.
Well, hopefully someone would find a way to crack the Steam DRM in this scenario and we can unlock and play our backed up games again, even if not strictly legally.
But still, the point I am making is that entrusting your games to a download service is also not without future risks.
FatSpy on 30/1/2014 at 12:18
Quote Posted by Cigam
When Valve has gone bust and Steam been turned off, X years from now, not only will you lose all the games you hadn't already downloaded and backed up to some other media, you won't be able to install the ones you have backed up since there will be no Steam to satisfy their DRM requirements, on install.
Well, hopefully someone would find a way to crack the Steam DRM in this scenario and we can unlock and play our backed up games again, even if not strictly legally.
But still, the point I am making is that entrusting your games to a download service is also not without future risks.
It's written in the paperwork they will let you download drm free games before the servers go down for good.
New Horizon on 30/1/2014 at 13:32
Quote Posted by dethtoll
This is still stupid and you're still being irrational, and you're dodging the issue. "OMG FAMILY FIRST" -- yeah, and?
What does that have to do with the topic at hand? Nobody is disputing that you have the right to spend your money the way you want. But you are literally saying that if it's not in a box, you don't want it, even though
it's the same damn game. Why does it even matter? There's nothing
special to a box. It's a thin case with a DVD inside -- if it even
has one, it might just be a Steam key. You're telling me you actually value that?
Why?Stupid and Irrational? Sorry, but this is simply the reality I have to live in at the moment. My secondary source of income for the last 8 years went belly up, so I don't have the luxury of spending on a whim. Even if I had the extra money, I still didn't spent it without weighing pros and cons. So yeah, my first line of thinking for pretty much any purchase is... 1. What type of impact does this have on the family budget, because that's the only budget I have, I don't have any personal money to spend. 2. I personally value owning the program on a piece of physical media, along with the artwork. If that is not being provided, then the item is not worth the expense to me...regardless of what other expenses are supposedly inflating the price (servers, or whatever), a download is not worth as much to "ME".
3. If it's just a steam key on the CD, I'm not really interested in that either...so no, I don't value a DVD with a steam key. I value having an actual copy of the program.
That being said, I'll purchase digital downloads if I feel the game is good but like I said, not for the full price.
So, for me personally, it's not a simple matter of whether I WANT a game or not. I have to consider a few more options.
I'm not your traditional consumer of goods I guess. There is rarely ever anything I really want beyond the necessities anyway. So, I'm really not the target audience for any major corporation.
june gloom on 30/1/2014 at 13:56
I had to read through that twice to find an answer to my question because you couched it in so much unnecessary stuff about OMG FAMILY FIRST again. The "options" you claim to have to consider when buying a game are completely irrelevant to buying a game. I don't see what family has to do with what format you buy a game in.
I get that you value having an actual copy of the program. I'm questioning why, as physical copies are an afterthought these days, a leftover relic to please people like you. You may as well just give up on video games and take up knitting, it's probably cheaper and you can make booties for your kids.
So yes, you're still being stupid and irrational because your logic does not follow from one thing (digital or physical) to the other (OMG FAMILY FIRST.)
SubJeff on 30/1/2014 at 14:05
I'm agreeing with dethtoll here.
Take a step back NH. Someone posts "I refuse to buy digital only games because my family comes first, but I'll buy a game that costs the same price if I get the physical disc" and you know the first thing everyone will think is "WTF does family have to do with it?"
Unless the physical discs are an offering to a family eating demo it really is out there.
New Horizon on 30/1/2014 at 14:54
Sorry, I explained it poorly.
I'm just saying that it's part of the decision making process, regardless of whether or not it's physical media or not, but not being on physical media makes it far less desirable for me overall.
Queue on 30/1/2014 at 15:09
I get what you're saying now--
Because you're not a consumer whore, but are a person who puts the needs of his family first over frivolities, buying the game itself isn't really that important to you; thus, a digital download would never be worth full price in your mind because it's not really a tangible item as far as you're concerned.
Okay, for your wants and needs that's admirable.
june gloom on 30/1/2014 at 15:09
Okay, I get that it's part of the decision making process.
I just don't understand why you value physical media in this day and age. I and most others stopped doing that years ago. Nowadays I only buy physical if it's a collector's edition.
It's different with console games, of course.