Stitch on 5/1/2010 at 22:16
What's racist is the concept of a white man infiltrating another culture and then surpassing their native abilities to become their new leader (i.e. "what's this crazy stuff you niggers do whoa look white boy ownin that shit")
henke on 5/1/2010 at 22:34
Well I guess one of the reasons he could do better than the natives was that he wasn't risking his own life, just that of his avatar. So he didn't have the same fear of death that a normal, sane being would have.
Unless I missed something and he would've died for some reason if his avatar died? :confused:
Gingerbread Man on 5/1/2010 at 22:40
Aha. So it's just a general difficulty with the idea of a heroic protagonist.
Stitch on 5/1/2010 at 22:42
Of course not. Last I checked people weren't crying foul over Harry Potter's cracker ass.
Having defended the accusations of racism in Avatar, however, I also have to say that I found that element pretty benign and I really don't give too much of a shit.
Gingerbread Man on 5/1/2010 at 22:49
Ahr, okay. Some people I've talked to have been so fucking bent out of shape about some kind of racism that apparently only an Exceptionally Guilty Whitey can find. I didn't think you were of that tribe, obviously -- I'm just primed to see it at the moment, and I start slinging spikes around before I find out :D
SubJeff on 5/1/2010 at 23:38
I was all over this 2 pages ago. I can see why people are raising the racism issue - non-native goes native becomes better at native stuff has been done ad nauseum with a whitey as the protagonist.
But in the context of aliens it seems a bit... silly. And people jumping on the "they are based on native Americans" and "zomg blacks PLAYED aliens don't you knows!" is even more ridiculous.
Scots Taffer on 6/1/2010 at 02:20
GBM, interestingly the original script didn't have Jake Sully as the only Na'vi who had successfully ridden a dragon-thing in forever, but it was still a highest honour among their people - that's a little bit more acceptable. Of course, this ignores the fact that the Na'vi just don't have a patch on the U.S. FUCKING MARINE CORP.
Like Stitch, I disliked the racist undertone but it is just a minor element of why I had problems with the movie. On the whole, I just found the antagonists and their approach in the script to completely undermine any of the decent drama done with Sully and the Na'vi.
Starrfall on 6/1/2010 at 02:37
Please if anything this movie is ANTI-HUMAN, ANTI-CAPITALISM and ANTI-AMERICAN just like all the liberal scientist hollywood environmental trash. Who's the bad guy? America. What species are the bad guys? Human. The only "good" humans are the ones who turn away from their humanity what does that say to you? It says to me that James Cameron hates his country. He should just do us all a favor and move to Europe where they like tree-loving America haters.
Starrfall on 6/1/2010 at 02:55
shitballs I forgot anti-military AND anti-christian AND anti-virus
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http://imgur.com/mQt56.jpgEvaUnit02 on 6/1/2010 at 03:30
Too bad that James Cameron is Canadian.
