Fafhrd on 6/1/2010 at 03:33
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
But in the context of aliens it seems a bit... silly. And people jumping on the "they are based on native Americans" and "zomg blacks PLAYED aliens don't you knows!" is even more ridiculous.
Thing is, you can't say 'Oh, they're aliens so the racial undertones don't matter' about Avatar any more than you can say 'Oh, they're orcs, so the racial undertones don't matter' about Lord of the Rings. Especially when Avatar is a much more overtly metaphorical work.
SubJeff on 6/1/2010 at 04:20
Wait. There's racial undertones with orcs now? Southrons I can see, for sure, but orcs? They're not even a naturally occuring race in LotR!!
Its this kind of twice removed thing that makes me :rolleyes:
Scots Taffer on 6/1/2010 at 04:25
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
And people jumping on the "they are based on native Americans" ... is even more ridiculous.
What? You mean the little yip-yip noises, dress and tribal set-up of the race didn't strike you as at all familiar?
Fuck, all I could think of when Sully is walking into the camp for the first time was the scene from
Last of the Mohicans where Hawkeye is entering the camp with the white ribbon.
Starrfall on 6/1/2010 at 04:28
Gonna blow your mind right now (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Sioux_War_of_1876%E2%80%9377)
Quote:
When a commission approached the Red Cloud Agency about the possibility of the Lakota's signing away the Black Hills, Colonel John E. Smith noted that this was "the only portion [of their reservation] worth anything to them" and concluded that "nothing short of their annihilation will get it from them."
In 1874, the government dispatched the Custer Expedition to examine the Black Hills. The Lakota were alarmed at his expedition. Before Custer's column had returned to Fort Abraham Lincoln, news of their discovery of gold was telegraphed nationally. The presence of valuable mineral resources was confirmed the following year by the Newton-Jenney Geological Expedition. Prospectors, motivated by the economic panic of 1873, began to trickle into the Black Hills in violation of the Fort Laramie Treaty. This trickle turned into a flood as thousands of miners invaded the "Hills" before the gold rush was over. Organized groups came from states as far away as New York, Pennsylvania, and Virginia.
Initially, the United States Army struggled to keep miners out of the region. In December 1874, for example, a group of miners led by John Gordon from Sioux City, Iowa, managed to evade Army patrols and reached the Black Hills, but the Army ejected them three months later. Such evictions, however, increased political pressure on Grant Administration to secure the Black Hills from the Lakota.
Scots Taffer on 6/1/2010 at 04:29
I think the Indians should sue James Cameron.
Starrfall on 6/1/2010 at 04:31
THIS ACTUALLY HAPPEN
SubJeff on 6/1/2010 at 10:14
Quote Posted by Scots Taffer
What? You mean the little yip-yip noises, dress and tribal set-up of the race didn't strike you as at all familiar?
Fuck, all I could think of when Sully is walking into the camp for the first time was the scene from
Last of the Mohicans where Hawkeye is entering the camp with the white ribbon.
So who is the racist now?
Scots Taffer on 6/1/2010 at 11:42
I have a question: are you a genuine fuckwit, or do you just work really hard at it?
SubJeff on 6/1/2010 at 11:58
Now I'm not sure if your previous post (the one I quoted) was a joke or not. :(
If it was my apologies.
Scots Taffer on 6/1/2010 at 12:10
We're talking about the cinematic portrayal of American Indians being similar to that of the Na'vi, if you can't see the parallels and honestly think my seeing them makes me racist - I have no idea what planet you're on.
Not to mention the thing Starreh linked pretty much nails the thing to the deck, it's practically got Sully's line about how the Na'vi will never leave the tree.