Solabusca on 10/7/2007 at 18:41
Quote Posted by Jah
I could never quite figure out what the one in Masks is supposed to be doing in Lord Gervaisius' house.
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http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12686) This should answer your question. There's a conversation between the Hammerite and the servant that's supposed to happen, but is glitched.
Additionally, the Mechanists are definately on the upswing in TMA - they've basically bribed the noble/merchant classes with technological toys, servants and cameras. The more common they've welcomed into a 'less strict' clergy (at first, it
seems more open and egalitarian than the Hammerites, welcoming all and sundry to the Builder's new flock regardless of gender or standing).
Because of these PR successes, they're able to 'push out' the Hammerites in a number of areas - taking over Hammerite temples, absorbing discontented members of the priesthood, and pushing them out of the people's hearts and homes.
It's only after they've succeeded in this that Karras' instability becomes... well, more visible. But he's so brainwashed most of his underlings that askance of his actions is unthinkable.
.j.
Jah on 10/7/2007 at 19:00
Ah, that explains it. Were they also supposed to start walking after finishing their dialogue? The way they stand there facing each other makes it pretty impossible to sneak by - not that you have to, of course.
Jah on 10/7/2007 at 20:13
Oh, one more question about Karras: Who did his voice? The PDF manual in my Sold Out version of T2 doesn't mention him at all in the credits, although it does credit someone for playing "Murus", who doesn't even appear in T2. Was that a mix-up with the names, i.e. is Murus supposed to mean Karras?
Yandros on 10/7/2007 at 20:39
Stephen Russell voiced both Garrett and Karras (and Benny, and one of the Hammerites, and probably several others). What a talent!
Jah on 11/7/2007 at 01:13
Yeah, that guy is amazing. I knew he played Garrett, Benny and one of the Hammerites (I think he's the one with an "elderly" voice?), and I would have never guessed they're the same person. Ditto for Karras.
Beleg Cúthalion on 11/7/2007 at 09:07
Maybe that's the reason for his terrible voice in the English version: He had to adulterate his voice so much so that no one could hear the similarities to the others or even Garrett.
Jah on 11/7/2007 at 10:27
Quote Posted by Beleg Cúthalion
Maybe that's the reason for his terrible voice in the English version:
You mean Karras? I didn't think his voice was terrible. Somewhat irritating, for sure (especially with the robots using his voice), and I occasionally found it difficult to make out what he was saying, but somehow I still liked it. Maybe it's because the evil super-villain typically has a deep, possibly booming voice similar to the Trickster in TDP; you wouldn't expect the big bad guy to sound like a toothless old man, which made Karras so unique.
Beleg Cúthalion on 11/7/2007 at 20:07
Since he's supposed to have a great charisma, I wonder why it should be his voice of all things that has a characteristical spot.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMVPsKuUFH8) The French one sounds not bad and especially the German voice is quite good I think. Didn't find it on YouTube now, though it should be there. :erg: Anyway, we're quite far from topic with that.
Jah on 11/7/2007 at 20:47
The French Karras has what I would call a traditional (even cliché) "evil villain" voice. He also sounds much more cool and calm and lacks the maniacal fervor of the original Karras. Not bad, but not very original, either. Certainly gives a very different impression of the character.
jtr7 on 11/7/2007 at 21:16
Karras was supposed to come across as someone whom the player could believe had been made fun of (until he had all the mockers sucking up to him to own the inventions spawned by his Mechanist movement). Few people feel sorry for Karras, or see the good, wounded child within--heh. No one tries to find sympathy for the character. Aside from the Droopy Dog comparison, I think the voice does what it was fully intended to do: irritate and/or inspire mockery.
Of course, the moral is not to make fun of people, 'cause they might plot to kill you and yours, in a fantastic manner, years from now.
