Yametha on 20/3/2006 at 23:04
That does raise some interesting questions...
Why shouldn't their names be spoken? Is there some kind of power associated with them?
Who would choose to become an enforcer?
Does this 'permanent' change last past the unbinding of the glyphs?
ZeroFlight on 20/3/2006 at 23:48
Wasn't there a book somewhere in the forbidden library saying something along the lines of G being groomed to become one?
T-Smith on 21/3/2006 at 00:14
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Wasn't there a book somewhere in the forbidden library saying something along the lines of G being groomed to become one?
Nope. There is a book in the library that speaks of the enforcers, 'Guiding Acolytes to their Destinies'. I've been working on my own Thief 3 Encyclopedia for a while now - almost done with the first version. From what I remember -
"Keeper Enforcers, also known as Glyph Assasins, are members of the Keeper Order who chose to become elite warriors, carrying out assasination missions for the Council. Early on in their training, certain acolytes would feel the 'Call of the Enforcer', and would choose to go down this path. They would be trained in all manners of stealth, and deadly assasination techniques. Once their training was complete, they would don the mask of an enforcer and become bound by glyph magic. Their names would be recorded in The Book of Names, so that no Keeper may ever speak of them again. The Enforcers communicate via telepathy. Their weapon is a small scythe, imbued with glyph magic."
I'm not exactly sure how to classify their behavior during Thief 3 though, or how I should make mention of it. I suppose I could chalk up their rampages to 'Keeper Corruption' but I don't think that quite covers it :p
Random_Taffer on 21/3/2006 at 00:54
I've argued this before and I'll do it again. :rolleyes:
The keeper's were, first of all, acting upon Orland's (psychotic) orders.
Second of all, the prophecies say that Life shall become pain. Now I don't know about the rest of you but that sounds pretty shitty to me.
The keepers (Orland) Really thought that Garrett was going to bring about this Dark Age and were trying everything in their power to stop him.
Hence the keeper assasins...
Not very keeperlike but if it will prevent all light becoming shadow and all life becoming pain then that's good enough for me...
godofgamers on 21/3/2006 at 01:15
Keeper Enforcers were acolytes who, rather than being ceremonially taken into the Keeper order, decided to become Enforcers. These Enforcers are modified by glyphs, which cannot be reversed, and from then on can only communicate telepathically.
Keeperlike? Is there an adverb for this?
T-Smith on 21/3/2006 at 01:28
Quote Posted by Random_Taffer
I've argued this before and I'll do it again. :rolleyes:
The keeper's were, first of all, acting upon Orland's (psychotic) orders.
Second of all, the prophecies say that
Life shall become pain. Now I don't know about the rest of you but that sounds pretty shitty to me.
The keepers (Orland) Really thought that Garrett was going to bring about this
Dark Age and were trying everything in their power to stop him.
Hence the keeper assasins...
Not very keeperlike but if it will prevent all light becoming shadow and all life becoming pain then that's good enough for me...
That's the thing though - not only is running around being noisy, slaughtering people needlessly, and drawing attention to yourself not Keeper like, but it's also not a terribly good strategy for hunting down the most skilled acolyte the Keepers ever knew. You can't really argue that The Keepers were so desperate to destroy Garrett that they decided to have the Enforcers do things that would make them less effective assassins. That's like saying,
"Hey John, when you drive in that race today, put a couple hundred pounds of weights in your trunk, and only drive at 40km/h. Then you'll win for sure!"
Kovitlac on 21/3/2006 at 02:17
Quote:
"Hey John, when you drive in that race today, put a couple hundred pounds of weights in your trunk, and only drive at 40km/h. Then you'll win for sure!"
LOL! That's exactly what it's like. Maybe their special training doesn't feature all the stealth training the normal Keepers get. Instead, it focuses on the special glyph powers, telepathy and cool masks. Although none of that is very likely.
Maybe their just overestimated. Because there are so many Enforcers Orland may have assumed they'd catch Garrett no matter what. No one ever said Orland was very bright.
Does anyone else wonder that if Garrett would have continued into becomming a Keeper, he would have chose to be an Enforcer? I just can't see Garrett going 'the profecies this, and glyhps that...'.
T-Smith on 21/3/2006 at 02:30
Quote Posted by Kovitlac
LOL! That's exactly what it's like. Maybe their special training doesn't feature all the stealth training the normal Keepers get. Instead, it focuses on the special glyph powers, telepathy and cool masks. Although none of that is very likely.
Maybe their just overestimated. Because there are so many Enforcers Orland may have assumed they'd catch Garrett no matter what. No one ever said Orland was very bright.
Does anyone else wonder that if Garrett would have continued into becomming a Keeper, he would have chose to be an Enforcer? I just can't see Garrett going 'the profecies this, and glyhps that...'.
For your first bit - like I mentioned in my post above (if you didn't notice), the Keeper Enforcers are trained in all manner of stealth (according to the book in the Keeper library). Like you said, it's very unlikely that they'd just focus on destructive glyph powers.
Adding to your next comment - no, Orland didn't seem very bright. But it wasn't just him. He'd been corrupting and blinded by the powers of the glyphs, and became ignorant to the dangers the very things he sought to protect threatened to bring upon The City. However, even among the other Keepers, it's clear he wasn't too popular. Seems a number of them miss good ol' Xavier.
As for Garrett becoming an Enforcer - I just couldn't see it happening.
Kovitlac on 21/3/2006 at 02:59
I only ever see it happening if he were to not have become a Thief. I think Enforcers, Scribes, Keepers, and First Keepers are the only other options, and of those four, the Enforcer would probably fit best. Although being a thief is deffinetly above all other options.
ZeroFlight on 21/3/2006 at 03:58
Orland wasn't the one who came up with the Enforcer's after G idea. It was Caduca (sort of). One of the notes said
"Now is the time to act with decision and certainty, and see that things fall as you wish. If you arrange for Garrett to escape, then Keeper law and custom will brand him a traitor ever more strongly than you can alone. And then you shall have no choice but to call for his demise."
I don't remember ever finding that note but it's in the system files along with two others similar to it.
As for what he'd do. I don't think Enforcer would work well with him. He would basically be a merc for the Keepers. He could only go out when they told him and had to do things a particular way, more so than the regular keepers. That's just not his style. He's way too much of a rebel.
