Niborius on 26/5/2015 at 16:55

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Hi taffers,

As I'm slowly nearing the completion of my second FM I've been working on the objectives.
Surprisingly enough I got almost all objectives to work in only a few minutes time (it was a nightmare for my first fm). However, there's one objective that I couldn't get a clear answer of of how to get it to work, and that is the following:

Normal
Don't KO more than 4 guards

Hard
Don't KO more than 2 guards

Expert
Don't KO more than 1 guard (or no guard at all, I'm still not sure which one I should do... opinions?)

I found a few very old topics (dating back to 2001) related to this same objective but the process of doing this was so complicated I figured there had to be a better way by now.

I also have another little issue that is not relevant but still bothering me, and that is the following.

I know how Rooms work and how to place them correctly, however, there is one big room that is connected to 2 hallways, but no sound is going through the room transitions.
Dromed is not saying it's a bad room either. The 2 hallways are about half the height of the bigrooms and are connected to the upper half of the room.

This is what it kinda looks like from above:

Niborius on 26/5/2015 at 20:01

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So if I get this right I need to have 3 QVtriggers and 3 QVTraps? And does 0,1, 2 represent the difficulty, or the objective for each difficulty? As in, the objective numbers for this objective is 6, 7 and 8 for each difficulty respectively. If I do either and try this in Test mode I can see all three of those objectives and none of them work. Must be something small I'm doing wrong. Btw, according to other threads (did a google search :P) it's supposed to be "DrSKnockout" without an -s, so you were pretty close.


Yea they are. I tried to do it with different sizes too but the same problem reoccurs.

Edit: Here are a few screenshots showing the rooms.

http://i59.tinypic.com/a3zdab.png

Yandros on 26/5/2015 at 21:27

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My bad, yes you need three QVTraps, not just one - one for each objective. For some reason I was thinking it was a single goal but since they specify the limit, of course they need to be separate objectives. The 0, 1, and 2 refer to the difficulties, and you use those on the Difficulty > Destroy properties; since your goal numbers are 6, 7, and 8, those are used in the Trap > QuestVar props on the QVTraps. So the complete setup for the Normal objective (assuming that's goal #6) looks like this:

QVTrigger with Trap > QuestVar set to >4:DrSKnockout and Difficulty > Destroy set to 1, 2
ControlDevice-linked to a
QVTrap with Trap > QuestVar set to =3:goal_state_6

You could also set Difficulty > Destroy on the QVTrap instead, or on both of them. As long as one is missing on each difficulty it will be fine. Then just repeat that for the other two difficulty levels - Hard will have a KO limit of 2, and set difficulties to 0, 2, and use goal_state_7 on the QVTrap, etc.


As to why all three show up when you test, that's because you're not testing with a difficulty enabled. I'm going to assume you're using the menus that come with the Dromed Toolkit since they're more or less required with NewDark these days. Here's how to do this (you'll wonder how you ever got by without it):

1. Add the NVDebug script (you'll need the .osm file in your T2 directory if you don't have it; it's in the NVScript distribution) by Custom > Load Script > Load other script and entering NVDebug to load it.
2. Add the NVDifficultyDebug script (using S > Scripts) to any object in your mission; I recommend your starting point so you can easily find and remove it later.
3. Set the difficulty using Playtest > Set difficulty (using NVDebug.osm), just choose whichever one you want to test. You can also revert to No Difficulty in the same menu.

Now when you go in game, you'll be playing at the specified difficulty and can test stuff like this, and anything else related to difficulty.

Niborius on 28/5/2015 at 06:54

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I got the difficulties to work now without the specific menu, I just created a quest called DebugDifficulty and gave it a number from 0 to 2, but even though it gives me the message that the game is running at the desired difficulty, all 3 of those objectives persist.

The objectives don't seem to work yet either yet

Niborius on 28/5/2015 at 12:04

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Omg of course! Somehow I didn't think of that. I also did the Qvar wrong as I wrote goal_state_8, 3 instead of =3:goal_state_8

Now it works exactly as it should.

Thanks for your great help, Yandros