SubJeff on 9/8/2011 at 23:57
You're not even trying. What is going on? Riots in London, Koki making sense in a Gen Gaming thread, and now this.
Kuuso on 10/8/2011 at 00:36
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But the rioters have not stated that they have a cause. A few have spouted some random crap but there is no voice of consensus amongst them, no rallying cry. The way this started was just bad luck and after the first bunch went on the rampage other twits saw how easy it is to get away with it, at least temporarily. These aren't people who are capable of planning for the future after all.
I never said they have a cause, what I said that there's underlying problems that have lead to a point where protests can turn into riots, which can turn into multiple day chaos. The income gap is getting bigger, there's no middle class, it's more like those that don't have anything and those that do. People in "extreme" sosioeconomic situations don't function with general logic and moral - they are outside the system and will treat the system with no respect. This kind of situation has emerged due to bad politics and no, it doesn't excuse these people, but it explains why this is happening and what should be done to prevent it in the future.
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I'd have a lot more sympathy for this pov if the rioters had stated as much, but watch any of the videos out there. This is just looting for fun.
I have no sympathy for them, but I understand why they're acting as they are. You are relating to this with too much feeling.
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Not this shit again. Do the police have to wait until one of them is shot before they can open fire? If he had a gun and pointed it at them, or stated that he was going to shoot, or even acted like he was about to shoot they would have grounds to open fire.
Whatever the situation was there, it wasn't that that was the problem. The problem is that the police didn't say anything to the public nor the peaceful protest that followed and now when facts like that arrive, it looks really bad (even if it wasn't).
Muzman on 10/8/2011 at 01:35
I doubt that the shooting has all that much to do with this really. It's just a marker for when the Us and Them thing that develops between the public and the cops in high crime areas finally spilled over. It's not even a race thing per se. There's equal opportunity hoodies involved.
The thing about it is it's not the cops won't do anything when there's a riot like this. Their thing in those situations is containment. They've got lots of practices and tactics for identifying the origins and the location, deploying force to contain it and keep it from spreading etc.
Where this had them completely flummoxed is it cropped up in a dozen places at once. Their systems have no idea how to handle something like that. It probably took a while to decide this was all part of the same thing (and then still debated after that) let alone figure out how and who was supposed to take care of it.
This was a bit like a human DDoS attack.
june gloom on 10/8/2011 at 02:40
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Are you actually capable of reading and taking things in? This last post of yours has to be, hands down, the stupidest thing I've seen on TTLG in 10 years.
Are you sure about that? I can think of a great deal of other candidates...
CCCToad on 10/8/2011 at 03:57
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. Didn't realize you had been keeping abreast of DARPA.
Not even a DARPA thing. The US has been pushing propaganda over social media for some time now (though your psyops guys aren't allowed to say "propaganda"), and both sides of the conflict here aggressively monitor social networking sites for even the slightest information that could be useful. One particularly good example that was put out as an unclassified warning was not to upload pictures from your Iphone or Droid to Facebook. The reason for this was that an insurgent group in Iraq looked up a soldier's facebook account, downloaded his photos, and used the geotag data from the pictures to launch a rocket attack that damaged a barracks and injured several people.
That said though, I won't be surprised if Facebook makes it into the news over this. Most likely there's going to be people who are identified as being involved either through Facebook posts or in pictures that get uploaded, and after everything calms down they'll wake up to policeman knocking on the front door.
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The income gap is getting bigger, there's no middle class, it's more like those that don't have anything and those that do. People in "extreme" sosioeconomic situations don't function with general logic and moral - they are outside the system and will treat the system with no respect.
So what is your response to the people who say the same thing about the US? There's no such violence here yet.
thefonz on 10/8/2011 at 07:00
Ignition London.
What we need is an Alien Invasion so everyone can band together and fight the aliens. Perfect solution.
PS: very very glad I moved to Australia!
Vernon on 10/8/2011 at 07:07
soooo... who else has been playing killing floor recently?
CCCToad on 10/8/2011 at 07:19
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Whatever the situation was there, it wasn't that that was the problem. The problem is that the police didn't say anything to the public nor the peaceful protest that followed and now when facts like that arrive, it looks really bad (even if it wasn't).
You make a good point sir, but I'll answer that later. I gotta go riot for a bit.
Matthew on 10/8/2011 at 09:05
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The man was denied two rights that you vigilantes should acknowledge. He is innocent until proven guilty and he has also been denied a fair trial.
And Matthew, it's nice to see you so level headed in your approach.
Oh please. Making a blanket statement linking a socio-economic looting riot with the sub-civil war that was and is Northern Ireland and then not giving anything like numbers* to put your words into perspective is not the best way to make any sort of argument.
* Here they are: 14 deaths out of 98,503 rubber and plastic bullets fired from 1970 to 1981 and 18 in total to 2001, mostly due to improper use of the weapons by firing it at too close a range or at head/chest height - and many of those were fired from earlier-model weapons too. Sadly 10 of the deaths were children, which I suspect is partially because their heads and chests were in the line of fire as baton rounds are meant to be fired below adult waist height. Still too many of course.
