gunsmoke on 6/12/2011 at 02:41
Wow, koki. Wow. You really think Xbox to PC conversions are a 1:1? First of all that 512 MB is almost entirely dedicated to video RAM. Second, ah fuck it. Deaf ears and such.
Volitions Advocate on 6/12/2011 at 05:49
Quote Posted by Sulphur
Hahahahahaha, omg. Clearly every facet of the code base stays the same while the porting's done.
Not that I'm defending Koki here, but this actually can happen. If all the systems in the engine only interface with the low level architecture designed to talk to the OS, then... well yeah. The majority of this can stay the same. I only know of 1 engine that works this way though. And nobody has released a successful game with it yet.
So koki is right. Just not about anything he's talking about ...:confused:
Koki on 6/12/2011 at 07:27
Quote Posted by Sulphur
This explains why all these console ports over the past 5 years work
so well on systems with 512 MB of RAM.
They work
so well with 2GB. Which is what we're talking about. Which is four times more than 512MB. Which is more than enough for any code shenanigans when porting.
Do try to keep up.
june gloom on 6/12/2011 at 07:33
Do try to shut up.
Vernon on 6/12/2011 at 08:01
Morrowind
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Sulphur on 6/12/2011 at 09:10
Quote Posted by Koki
They work
so well with 2GB. Which is what we're talking about. Which is four times more than 512MB. Which is more than enough for any code shenanigans when porting.
Do try to keep up.
Do try to not be a waste of time and energy.
1) Windows 7 eats 1.5 GB of RAM on an average installation for itself. Of course, you're still running on XP because, gee, 2GB of RAM doesn't leave you much choice.
2) PC ports can and do leverage extra bandwidth when it's available. It's plain as day to see in the recommended requirements for just about all of them. Memory addressing does not work exactly the same way as it does on the console, plus there's plenty of port jobs that are just plain inefficient in the way they cache and use memory.
Papy on 6/12/2011 at 11:35
Quote Posted by Sulphur
Windows 7 eats 1.5 GB of RAM on an average installation for itself.
Windows 7 is quite good at managing memory and it will adapt to how much you have. A computer with 1 GB has no problem running Windows 7 (along with several Word/Excel documents opened and a browser).
Here's what's in use right now with my computer (4GB of RAM) :
Total 1482 MB used, plus 1621 MB for cache.
Firefox : 220 MB private + 49 MB shareable
Steam : 98 MB + 19 MB
Antidote : 40 MB + 48 MB
Perfmon : 17 MB +12 MB
Kies : 10 MB + 26 MB
There are also several other things running which are not part of windows for a total of about 50 MB.
I won't do a full analysis of how the memory is used, but I think it's fair to say that Windows 7 use about 1 GB for itself.
If I decided to turn off most visual effect (which Windows 7 will do if the machine has only 1GB of RAM) as well as several unimportant services, I could get this number down to about 600 or 700 MB.
Koki on 7/12/2011 at 06:21
Quote Posted by Sulphur
1) Windows 7 eats 1.5 GB of RAM on an average installation for itself. Of course, you're still running on XP because, gee, 2GB of RAM doesn't leave you much choice.
Windows 7, just like Vista before it, will eat about as much memory as you have available because it preloads parts of frequently used software when idle. And I'm still on XP because there's been no reason to switch so far.
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2) PC ports can and do leverage extra bandwidth when it's available. It's plain as day to see in the recommended requirements for just about all of them.
Yeah, it's plain to see most of them don't go over 2GB.
You do realize how pointless this discussion is, right? I have a 2GB rig. I had it for five years now. The only game ever where loading times were a problem was the leaked Human Revolution demo(final release was just fine). The end, you can keep talking if you want.
Sulphur on 7/12/2011 at 07:07
Oh, I know any discussion with you is inevitably pointless. But I always try to be a glass half full kind of guy, even when it comes to talking to you.
PigLick on 8/12/2011 at 04:31
Just remember we're not allowed to call our pcs 'rigs' anymore. I'm calling mine 'box', from hereonin. I have a black gaming box.
