Albert on 14/10/2012 at 19:27

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Hmm, I don't think it ruins anything, but for me, the env_map is rather useless. But not useless enough to remove. Dilemma?

Albert on 15/10/2012 at 02:38

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Oh haha... :rolleyes:

I meant it works fine and all, but really, it just ruins the look of everything and every mission. Not too shabby, but absolutely USELESS.

Not unless someone were to create a mission that would work alongside the env-map. Why, it could even be used for faux-reflective surfaces like stainless steel and whatnot (Or give a shiny gloss to the surface of ice. Endless possibilities...). But, as far as water goes, it's USELESS.

Again, don't you have some other thing to be doing? Like making a new TP update or whatever...

Albert on 15/10/2012 at 04:10

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Alright, let's can this right here. I'll admit "useless" isn't really the word. Gratuitous is a better word for it. But y'know, maybe there will be a certain env_map design down the line that will be a bit more ambiguous. And maybe then, I'll warm up to the idea of env_maps representing reflective water. But not right now, it's just not adding anything for me.

Also, this sandwich analogy is irrelevant. So what if the butter is useless? At least butter adds flavor. Like I said, this just feels unnecessary at the moment, and at best it doesn't match anything even if I try not to look at it. Maybe for specific FMs, but otherwise no.

Otherwise, I think this stuff looks great. You have the skill to make this stuff, even if it isn't the style that people expects in Thief. But then, this is your project, and I'll only say that I'm simply condemning the env_map alone. Everything else is great, so yeah...

Albert on 15/10/2012 at 05:13

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Alrighty, there. You hit the nail on the head, so good for you. And yes, I admit I try to over-embellish shit. I still don't think you should throw away the main point though, which is the fact that this env-map box could use a different design. I was just playing one of Catherine's classic FMs, where tons of open space is never enough, and the water there, when around equally bright objects like torches and whatnot, suited the damn env-map fine -- Proving my point.

But thank you for at least attacking me on my own bad spelling. Mostly because I am not a trained writer. Heck, I'm barely that (A depressed has-been writer who, years ago, could write pretty well but gave up and now look at this load of dribble. When you stop doing something like me, you lose the talent)... But I at least watch and read enough so you can say I'm better read than my writing attests.

Happy with my retort, Mr. Rosenfield?

kokobollo on 15/10/2012 at 11:19

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T1 final mission has lava too :D