EvaUnit02 on 18/10/2009 at 02:06
Quote Posted by Epos Nix
Can we make it a forum rule that acronyms must be spelled out at least once in the original post before they can be used?
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
Fafhrd on 18/10/2009 at 03:24
Quote Posted by Garrettwannabe
Basically - just like we've done in here for Thief - using the Editor(s) to modify/change the game and build FM's/maps to futher give life to the game years after it's release.
So how does not having dedicated servers prevent people from playing custom maps?
The only problem I'm seeing is that people will have to download the maps manually, like in ye olden days of gaming over the interwebs, or the download times will be lengthened a bit if getting them directly from the host.
Epos Nix on 18/10/2009 at 03:53
Typically a server list allows you to choose to play on either standard maps or custom maps. There will be no server list (because dedicated, individual owned servers won't exist) hence there will be no option to play on anything except standard maps.
Mind you this applies to multiplayer custom maps only. I don't think it would apply so much to single player addons. But multiplayer is really where custom maps are in most demand on games like this.
Phatose on 18/10/2009 at 04:13
Even if it was completely without any of the problems noted with custom maps and mods, players have good cause to be concerned.
If you look at say, Team Fortress 2, an awful lot of the servers are run - and more importantly, paid for - by clans, or at any rate someone other then the developer.
Removing dedicated servers means Infinity Ward, or more likely Activision - is going to have to provide the servers and bandwidth for games by themselves. This is not cheap - and if they're going to do so, you can bet your ass they have a plan to monetize it somehow.
They ain't saying how yet, and that should have players worried.
mothra on 18/10/2009 at 09:48
seeing how bad valve's own matchmaking for the PC works (as in almost never) I can already see the same stupid "searching for available server..." popping up here as well. That's not a step backward, it's a 180 and a dash back to the start for PC gaming. I want a serverbrowser with filters, favorite lists and no matchmaking. and clans can now have "private matches".....and competetive mode for a match......maybe IW.NET will charge extra topdollars for this. I mean, why not make money from clanning as well. damn competetive gamers are making money, winning prizes with our game !!!!
Yakoob on 18/10/2009 at 19:56
Quote Posted by mothra
I want a serverbrowser with filters, favorite lists and no matchmaking. and clans can now have "private matches".....and competetive mode for a match......maybe IW.NET will charge extra topdollars for this
AND A GOOGLE TOOLBAR, THROW IN A GOOGLE TOOLBAR!
Fafhrd on 18/10/2009 at 20:25
Quote Posted by Epos Nix
Typically a server list allows you to choose to play on either standard maps or custom maps. There will be no server list (because dedicated, individual owned servers won't exist) hence there will be no option to play on anything except standard maps.
Search for Games -> Allow Custom Content.
This is functionality that the fucking Smackdown vs. RAW games have on 360. It's not absolutely necessary to have a dedicated server set up to allow mods or custom maps.
Zygoptera on 18/10/2009 at 20:41
Quote Posted by Phatose
They ain't saying how yet, and that should have players worried.
I'd presume that this and the soon to be compulsory changes to BattleNet are related, with the ultimate idea being to have a system which mitigates piracy concerns and streamlines (or should that be steamlines?) DLC distribution to an audience made captive by compulsory- or as near as possible as can be got- sign up. Also, the idea of having paid for mods for Diablo 3 could be migrated in which case you basically require publisher run servers for the copy control.
Certainly the Activision CEO is extremely vocal about his intentions to milk every cent possible off his customers.
Epos Nix on 18/10/2009 at 22:21
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It's not absolutely necessary to have a dedicated server set up to allow mods or custom maps.
There is no centralized location to put your mod. On a dedicated server, modified code is run from that point. But this new system has players connecting to each other through IW.net... if IW.net is hosting the game, where is the modified code run from?
The only way I can assume it might work would be if players were allowed to upload their mods to IW.net, but what're the chances of that happening?
Fafhrd on 19/10/2009 at 02:12
Quote Posted by Epos Nix
There is no centralized location to put your mod. On a dedicated server, modified code is run from that point. But this new system has players connecting to each other through IW.net... if IW.net is hosting the game, where is the modified code run from?
IW.net isn't hosting the game. It's for matchmaking and stat tracking, like Xbox LIVE, GFWL, Steam (as implemented in L4D), Gamespy, or any other matchmaking system from the past 14 years. The game hosting is peer-to-peer, so (theoretically) if you set up a custom match with a custom map or some sort of mod, provided another person has the same map or mod, they can connect to your game (depending on how the back-end is set up, a person could even download it from you when they connect, but that'll fuck with your bandwidth something fierce). I don't see how this is so hard for people to understand. It's like you haven't played an on-line game from before 1999.
Really the only time a dedicated server is absolutely necessary for an on-line game is if it supports more than around 12 players in a match.
And really, what's the logical progression from '402 has no information about modding' to 'Therefore no modding will be allowed.'
