Dante on 10/5/2009 at 23:49
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Correct I confused you with flash. also correct that I mentioned 47, Payne. I got it all mixed up in my T4 excitement... but that doesn't change my POV. Arguing with you seems pointless either cause when you get answers like "No he isn't", responses bare of arguments, one should know discussion isn't possible any longer...
I stated my reasons. You essentially reiterated your opinion. I reiterated my answers.
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while your 5 books aren't a "shit load", my 3 movies ARE a "shit load"???
No. The shitload comment had nothing at all to do with those three movies. Again, your memory fails you. Your criticism of flashbacks, I was saying, is criticism of a shitload of books, because countless (great) books use them.
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Seems like valid arguing (here in bizarro world)...
Read properly before you take a stab.
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James Bond an antihero
First of all, I suggest you learn what an antihero is.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antihero)
Now, this links to an article (observe the name of the website) to James Bond. Run a search for "anti-hero." It's there.
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http://www.mi6.co.uk/sections/articles/history_casino_royale.php3)
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Further: Beeing brutal does not mean beeing cold
Really?
From the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary:
brutal - 2: befitting a brute: as a: grossly ruthless or
unfeeling <a brutal slander> b: cruel,
cold-blooded <a brutal attack> c:
harsh,
severe <brutal weather> d: unpleasantly accurate and incisive <the brutal truth> e: very bad or unpleasant <a brutal mistake>
Bold terms apply to James Bond.
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JB is passionate not cold.
I ask again, have you read Ian Fleming's books? James Bond is cold-blooded. If you don't believe me, let me dig out a fan editorial, which likely possesses more authority on the matter than either of us:
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http://www.jamesbondwiki.com/page/What+Bond+should+be+(an+editorial)?t=anon)
And I quote: "Have the directors of James Bond forgotten that he is a spy? Have they forgotten that he is a cold blooded and efficient killer. Have they forgotten that he has an innate distrust and seeming hatred for women?"
Unconvinced? Icons of England:
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http://www.icons.org.uk/theicons/collection/james-bond/features/bond-actors)
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"James Bond was the ultimate anti-hero: a man who had only a grudging respect for authority, an obsession with high stakes gambling and exotic travel, and an even more fervent passion for the seemingly endless array of sexually aggressive women who surrounded him."
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You obviously don't know, what you are talking about, a bit of namedropping doesn't redeem you from logical arguments.
No, I'm afraid
you obviously don't know. You either haven't read any of Fleming's work, or when you did you lacked the capacity to understand the characterization.
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I showed why Max Payne for me is stereotype, you just keep saying "47 is too" well then show me why he is equally stereotype.
I did. He's a carbon copy of cold-blooded killers. Need I repeat my list?
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awwwww, that will be hard since you have been talking about things you don't know again --> because 47's sadism (!) prevented you buying/playing it - but oh my, keep talking about things you not even played. (lemme guess, you just don't bought it but played it at your friend's...)
I've played the demo for
Hitman 2: Silent Assassin. I've also watched a number of YouTube videos. Why would I lie about that? Even if I did, my argument would remain that Agent 47 is cold-blooded. I already admitted that sadism was the wrong word there. Get over it. My point stands.
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-OK, whats a hero then if JB is not one?
As evidenced in the Wikipedia article, an antihero is a sort of hero, just an unconventional one. But if you want me to give you a knight and shining armor, look no further than the knights of Arthurian legend. You have heard of them, right?
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but here you go: Garrett/47:
Okay.
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both trained from their childhood to do what they do
both operating in secret
both operating alone
Sorry, but this is highly superficial and won't cut it. It has nothing to do the evolution of their characters.
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both lack any unnecessary social contacts
As would any wise criminal. Nothing to do with characterization.
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both are constantly hunted
Right, because they're criminals. Nothing to do with characterization.
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both work for money as primary goal and motivation
And you don't? You volunteer for a living? I applaud you, sir. Nothing to do with characterization beyond the pragmatism of isolation.
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both can easily be overwhelmed once their camouflaging drops
Thank God for a speck of realism. Nothing to do with characterization.
Sweet fuck! Did you know I use a screwdriver when I need to replace those batteries? Oh, I was expecting a hitman to go into a heavily defended stronghold naked. Nothing to do with characterization.
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but I see: there are no connections between Garrett and 47, they are so completely different that even the slightest comparison is straight away hilarious.
Correct. Your comparisons are strictly superficial. This further supports my swelling suspicion that you really don't understand James Bond even if you did read the novels. Your interest appears to be limited to the action side of things, not the actual personalities, the people you're supposed to root for (or against).
