No, not another "will there be thief4" thread, but... - by Flux
MrBosnia on 19/4/2008 at 06:11
Quote Posted by Fian
I think there is potential for Garrett being the main character in Thief 4. Thief 3 ends with a power vacuum. Garrett is the only keeper, but there are no glyphs. I can easily see a new menace arising in the vacuum, and Garrett has to restore the glyphs in order to combat it. Garrett might also need to rebuild the keeper order and recruit new members.
On the other hand, he doesn't sound like much of a Thief anymore, so it might be better to start a new story with new factions. The current Thief universe doesn't have much mystery any more.
Come to think of it, I think it would be appropriate to make Garrett have a smaller role in Thief 4. Lets be realistic: In real-time, Garrett has been thieving for over eight years. It really is time for him to retire.
I envision Thief 4 as Garrett being some sort of "sensei". While sure, you can say its slightly overdone, it hasn't to an extreme point. Think Karate Kid. Imagine Garrett with a deeper voice, having an aged face, but training another young thief. There is some correspondence to this with T2x.
We could also have a mission or two in which something happens in the plot where Garrett is thieved, so players can experience him again. Perhaps when he plays, it would feel like the character the player is controlling (Garrett, and not the other new main thief) is superpower. Compared to what the player has been doing before, for this mission bow accuracy would soar, sneaking would be very good, and Garrett would simply feel like a blithe ninja during the mission. Maybe something like "No, [insert name of new central thief], this is too risky. You're practically diving straight into a police convention, and there would be hundreds. I think it is time I clean the dust off of my blade, and do this one myself.""
Ok, maybe I'm not the best script writer but you get my point. It would also give us veteran Thief fans that appreciation for Garrett.
Beleg Cúthalion on 19/4/2008 at 06:23
Quote Posted by MrBosnia
Come to think of it, I think it would be appropriate to make Garrett have a smaller role in Thief 4. Lets be realistic: In real-time, Garrett has been thieving for over eight years. It really is time for him to retire.
Where did you get that from? People always think that his long keeper training was probably about ten years long. In fact, three years would be enough to increase both his sneaking skills and knowlegde, plus, it would preserve his adolescent rebellious potential which made him leave the keeprs (according to the quotes on the old Dark Project page). Let it be three years too to start his thieving career until the Bafford affair. The Dark Project itself might take a year. Nothing really indicates big breaks between the missions (even between those which are not directly connected, however, most of them are). Let it be two or three years until/during the Metal Age, to make the rise of the Mechanists believable. After that, maybe half a year until TDS to make Garrett's need to read a book last not too long. TDS itself took place in ten days. So much for the Keeper's interpretation of "age". Summa summarum I don't think Garrett is too old.
MrBosnia on 19/4/2008 at 08:26
Quote Posted by Beleg Cúthalion
Where did you get that from? People always think that his long keeper training was probably about ten years long. In fact, three years would be enough to increase both his sneaking skills and knowlegde, plus, it would preserve his adolescent rebellious potential which made him leave the keeprs (according to the quotes on the old Dark Project page). Let it be three years too to start his thieving career until the Bafford affair. The Dark Project itself might take a year. Nothing really indicates big breaks between the missions (even between those which are not directly connected, however, most of them are). Let it be two or three years until/during the Metal Age, to make the rise of the Mechanists believable. After that, maybe half a year until TDS to make Garrett's need to read a book last not too long. TDS itself took place in ten days. So much for the Keeper's interpretation of "age". Summa summarum I don't think Garrett is too old.
You realize he wanted to retire at the end of T:DP right? He unfortunately couldn't because the things around him that unfolded unavoidable pulled him into the chaos, which what Thief II and Deadly Shadows was about.
I'm pretty sure Garrett's thieving around, at the latest point at the end of Deadly Shadows, has really tired him. He has been on so many missions and lost much bloodshed and seen so many things, that at this point he is feeling like a war veteran. Thieving would take a lot out of someone.
abdallah on 19/4/2008 at 10:46
Two things bother me about the whole thing - first off, he should be stinking rich from the kind of things he has stolen.
And secondly, if he has so fine motoric skills that he can pick almost any lock, why oh why can't he just put a glass down on a table without waking up the entire neighborhood?
SubJeff on 19/4/2008 at 11:11
Ha ha. Yeah, the putting objects down noises are silly indeed.
But as to his fortune - he is a thief for hire. It's a business. He gives the things he steals to order to his fence, and certainly wouldn't receive the full cost of the thing himself. The business has overheads too - the tools of the trade are not cheaps. Well, not in T1 and 2 anyway.
Gambit on 19/4/2008 at 11:24
And he always had problems with the rent payment.
And buying new arrows.
And probably spending the rest on gamblimb and woman, who knows...
Springheel on 19/4/2008 at 11:25
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the tools of the trade are not cheaps.
That whole idea was ridiculous too. Garrett would spend just as much (sometimes more!) on his tools for a job as he got in loot. He'd never be able to retire that way. But what can you expect in an economy where a single broadhead arrow is worth as much as a golden plate? Garrett should have been robbing the fletcher's guild! :)
SubJeff on 19/4/2008 at 11:36
Perhaps he fences all the loot he the cash is just a representation of his cut, not the true value of the item.
It would be interesting if Thief 4 made this explicit by requiring you to pay rent, pay for food and clothes and so on. Proper book balancing and whatnot. And some bastard fences who pay pittance.
abdallah on 19/4/2008 at 11:47
Maybe he's just daft and a lousy salesman :joke:
Henri The Hammer on 19/4/2008 at 13:10
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It would be interesting if Thief 4 made this explicit by requiring you to pay rent, pay for food and clothes and so on. Proper book balancing and whatnot. And some bastard fences who pay pittance.
Yay, a Thief game with RPG elements :) Combining the two things I love most in games.
I really hope Thief 4 has Garrett as the main character, providing that they get Stephen Russell back. Garrett just isn't the same without him.
