Sulphur on 31/8/2011 at 15:04

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And eat a goddamn sandwich or something.

CCCToad on 31/8/2011 at 20:45

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The thing is that when you're talking about sexual attraction there is no logic involved. I believe that for the most part we humans function identically to our simian ancestors, we've just learned to respond to different stimuli in response to our environment(modern society). I've found that the less logical sense I make the better response I tend to get.


And, there's one thing I thought of in regards to dethtoll's post. Its true that women are people like everyone else, but the guy's I've known who were most successful with women had extremely objective views as women. Hell, the best "player" I've known said that "To me, women are nothing more than a thing that gives me sex". Its a bit of a sad commentary on the human condition that being successful with an attitude like that is hardly rare.

Harvester on 31/8/2011 at 23:34

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I think they do exist, but as Shug said, you're not going to find these women at the clubs and bars that confident pick-up artists tend to visit.

When I met my current girlfriend, me and some other guy were kind of competing for her attention. I wouldn't say I'm shy exactly (I'm sure I wouldn't have won her heart if I never said anything to her or couldn't form a coherent sentence) but I was kind of insecure and not overly confident of myself (especially back then, now I'm a bit better) while the other guy was a confident womanizer and frankly also better looking than me. He asked her out and she refused, then I asked if she wanted to come over and watch a movie, and we've been friends since and later on I managed to escape the "friend zone" and she's now my girlfriend. I've also noticed other women in the past appreciating my casual approach to conversation. With casual I mean that I'm modest, show genuine interest in them (not just in getting into their pants) and don't immediately try to hit on them. Granted, such an approach tends to put you in the "friend zone" as it did at first with my current gf, but hey, I got out of that and the time that we were just friends was fun too (besides, I wasn't immediately in love with her myself, so it was good that we got to know each other as friends first).
That's just an anecdote to prove that not all women go for over-confident "playa" types.

Vasquez on 1/9/2011 at 03:41

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Many of the women he gets probably think the same way about him.

CCCToad on 1/9/2011 at 18:20

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Harvester probably came across as a bit more confident than he gives himself credit for. I'd also add that his approach is one that is somewhat better suited for building relationships. Most "playas" use an aggressive, hyperconfident game that is formed (whether by habit or design) to attract women who are both pretty enough to boost the playa's social status and are liberal enough to be up for casual sex.

Still, I don't think acting like Harvester describes will necessarily lead to the friend zone. I generally act that way with a woman I'm genuinly interested in, but I mix it up with teasing and light flirting to immediately set the tone that I'm not "just" a friend.