CCCToad on 7/8/2011 at 19:57

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I think everyone in this forum is misinterpreting badly my use of the term "bitch". By that I mean a woman will act in a directly rude or insulting manner designed to quickly shoot down males who she has no interest in interacting with (ie, she sees no value in them as a potential suitor).




Unfounded insinuation with no basis in reality. A woman has absolutely no obligation to give time or attention to a guy who is creepy, if she already has a committed relationship, or for any number of other reasons. And otherwise great women the "bitch shield" because it wards away unwanted suitors without using any more of her time than it has to.





Ya know, I've heard that pouring hot sauce in your eye can be fun. You should try it sometime. Also your point is patently wrong. Have you ever known a stupid asshole who didn't get laid like a rockstar?




That is a rather bizarre connection to make. Nobody here is arguing that "cool" and "bitchy" are the same thing, although they can coincide (ie, a number of celebrities).




Not at all. Though if a guy is acting in a creepy or bizarre way I think a reaction somewhat stronger than just "turning down" is warranted. You want something more final, that will make the guy never come back.





Spot on. Except that I was not at any point referring to "cool" behavior, just the violent rebuff that an especially unsuitable suitor may receive.



I disagree. Even the most crazed and successful players will admit that its ultimately the woman who chooses the man, and that its incumbent on the male to demonstrate a social value high enough to catch her interest. I'm on the fence about this next statement, but I've considered that the various forms of political repression that crop up are men's ways of trying to wrest reproductive control from women. However, just about every other creature out there exhibits mating behavior where it is the female who ultimately chooses the male.

Muzman on 8/8/2011 at 00:09

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I'd really like to know how we can pluck anything generalisable out of this "scenario". There's no context, no description of the approach, no description of what this rebuff is actually like, no description of the actors at all in fact. What's a "loser" for instance? Or a bitch for that matter?
All we have is losers get the harsh rebuff, explained by little more than a self pitying Social Darwinist intuition that this is somehow a deep seated imperative. Where one is supposed to separate that from the other presumably deep seated evolutionary imperatives at work on a given evening remains a mystery.

Ev psych studies are mostly surveys done of people reacting to described scenarios, pictures and so on, experiments of game theory decision making. Maybe the ones mentioned were not, but all the same where they're not batshit crazy and describing how lipstick is an attempt by women to evoke the vulva in the mind of men they can maybe identify a broad behaviour trend that an individual may express (indeed Ev psych in my experience leans very heavily on bolting on sexy explanations to other people's neuroscience, but anyway). There they might be able to say that these tendencies confer some advantage, or at least show evidence of selection.
What they really can't tell you with anything resembling accuracy is why Jenny thought you were a douche that one time.

Azaran on 8/8/2011 at 04:18

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A good friend of mine (very average looking guy) used to get turned down constantly whenever he'd go up to really hot chicks - he used to try a "nice" approach, but after a while of getting rejected and sometimes laughed at, he found the sure fire way to pick up any woman he wants. I had seen stuff like this in online videos but always doubted it until I went to a club with him and seen it with my own eyes. His technique is extremely brazen but simple, and he says it works best on club vixens (the "unattainable" type who are hot and know it, and have fun turning down guys). He goes up to them, picks something he doesn't like about their looks (hair, clothes, etc.) and starts criticizing that particular flaw. They start arguing, and within 5 minutes he has her number.
His logic is that unattainable women are used to being complimented often by guys, and they have fun with that, leading guys around or turning them down. But as soon as a man comes up to them and not only doesn't fall into their trap, he stands up to them and disses them, their "bitchy" confidence comes crashing down and they come to him like a magnet.
He's been doing it for 5 years, and says it works 8 times out of 10. And he's never been slapped or physically attacked once.
In a way, it's kinda sad that you have to resort to this approach to pick up women in clubs, but it's the reality.
That being said, I'll never have the balls to try this particular technique :(



The Roman persecution of Christians was sporadic and made no more than 1000 victims by modern estimates, chiefly under Nero and Diocletian, over a period of 300 years. According to Professor Rodney Stark: "The Rise of Christianity" pg. 164: "The total number of Christians martyred by the Romans was probably fewer than a thousand"

Also, interestingly enough “the century opened by the Peace of the Church, more Christians died for their faith at the hands of fellow Christians than had died before in all the persecutions.” (Christianity & Paganism in the Fourth to Eighth Centuries. p 14).

25,000 Christians to be exact.

The anti-Pagan fervour was mainly motivated by traditional biblical intolerance of other religions. The extremist wing of the church often alleged "persecution", but their definition of "persecution" (which is the same twisted definition used by modern fundies) was very different than its usual meaning:

"Persecution, which loomed so large in Christian historical imagination, need not always have been literal. Even under the Christian empire, some claimed to suffer it simply because they were forced to tolerate the continued existence of pagans and heretics.12 This “repressive tolerance,” as Herbert Marcuse might have characterized it, seemed to some as little more than a subtler form of persecution—for certainly it was not right, they thought, that truth be forced to live on equal terms with falsehood.13 Christianity, in some ways, retained the habits of thought of a persecuted minority even into the era of its dominance."

- Michael Gaddis, There is no crime for those who have Christ: religious violence in the Christian Roman Empire p 6

Azaran on 8/8/2011 at 04:46

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Why should anyone? I'm an average guy myself, but I don't fantasize about average women. Why should an average guy have less right to be with a hot woman than a buff bodybuilder?

And the women who fall for that technique are usually very superficial inside. However, this concerns picking up people for sex, not finding your soul mate.

Azaran on 8/8/2011 at 05:16

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If everyone conformed to reality, most people wouldn't get a University degree because of the prohibitive costs and effort involved. "It's too hard to study for 5 years and spend thousands of dollars. I'll just settle for a Mcjob instead"


I've seen the tragic results of relationships on most people I know (jealousy, possessiveness, loss of social life...), and I'm not interested in going through that.