Go2doug on 6/7/2009 at 22:03
It's great to see Max von Sydow, who played the knight in 1957's Seventh Seal, still acting!
SubJeff on 6/7/2009 at 22:26
Quote Posted by OldMeat
Until recently, mental institutions and bedlams of the past were extremely brutal places, radical treatments, like ice dunking, lobotomies, localized body part isolations with tortorous devices, etc. just to name a few; quite often with doctors and staff being as insane as many of the inmates or patients and often sadistically worse. These forms of barbarity still take place today in many parts of the world. These methods probably do nothing to help a human being at all.
The 67th patient? The one looking for the 67th being the 67th because he is only counting 66 total not including himself?
A slight over exaggeration. Some nasty stuff happened but it was nowhere near as widespread as people like to make out.
And we already said that he is the 67th patient, a few posts above yours.
Renault on 6/7/2009 at 23:33
Yeah, I guess I'm not seeing how this movie in any way resembles the scenario from The Cradle. Because it's an insane asylum? Maybe there's a ghost? Pretty weak, especially considering the place is still in operation and in perfectly good structural condition. Certainly not worth an "OMG OMG OMG." :weird:
Herr_Garrett on 7/7/2009 at 06:03
Quote Posted by Brethren
Certainly not worth an "OMG OMG OMG." :weird:
!Especially with diCaprio! :cheeky:
Dante on 11/7/2009 at 04:08
Quote Posted by Brethren
Yeah, I guess I'm not seeing how this movie in any way resembles the scenario from The Cradle. Because it's an insane asylum? Maybe there's a ghost? Pretty weak, especially considering the place is still in operation and in perfectly good structural condition. Certainly not worth an "OMG OMG OMG." :weird:
I'm sorry, I was under the impression that the Cradle was at some point in operation. What about the section where Garrett enters the "past"—does that completely elude the (impotent) clutches of your cerebral cortex? Both Shutter Island and the Cradle involve conspiracies orchestrated by the management. Both involve insane patients who have more to them than meets the eye. Both include a protagonist that comes into close contact with a phantom (although it is up for debate whether the one in Shutter Island is real). Some of the imagery is
very similar. Lastly and perhaps most importantly, both convey a sense of doom engineered by inability to escape.
Let's add it all up: insane asylum with conspiratorial management and conspiracy-cooperative staff, detective-playing protagonist who develops a close relation ship with a ghost, impossibility of escape and consequent feeling of doom, etc.
If trolling my utterly uncontroversial thread satisfies your Internet ego, then please feel free to do so, but next time do try to use your brain. I apologize as I know that's hard for some people (oh, not you specifically).
Herr_Garrett, if you didn't like DiCaprio in
The Departed, then shame on you!
nicked on 11/7/2009 at 06:56
There's no trolling here, just people debating the not-as-obvious-as-you-seem-to-think similarities between this and the cradle - lighten up!
Unless you know something about the plot that the rest of us don't, you're speculating wildly on a plot and tone that may not resemble the mission at all.
It's like saying that (
http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/thecrypt/) this must be "Bonehoard: The Movie" because they're both about thieves breaking into underground crypts and running into the undead.
At the moment, looking at the Shutter Island trailer, I'm seeing "Girl, Interrupted" meets "The Shining".
Dante on 11/7/2009 at 15:24
Quote Posted by nicked
Unless you know something about the plot that the rest of us don't, you're speculating wildly on a plot and tone that may not resemble the mission at all.
Everything I described is made blatantly obvious by the trailer. I'm speculating more on setting, mood, and a little bit of character relationships than on plot.
Herr_Garrett on 11/7/2009 at 16:50
Quote Posted by Dante
Herr_Garrett, if you didn't like DiCaprio in
The Departed, then shame on you!
I don't like DiCaprio at all, in any movie. I have an aversion for smarmy, mealy-mouthed little twerps (my personal opinion, you understand...:D).
Petike the Taffer on 12/7/2009 at 16:44
Quote Posted by Beleg Cúthalion
What's really scary are somehow unnatural humans, not monsters. :p I think that's why puppets or relief faces (like in the Cradle) or the strangely-behaving characters in Kafka stories are so creepy.
Exactly. Human-derived or humanoid "monsters" have always been the most horrifying for the human mind. Human and eeriely unnatural at the same time...
