Starker on 7/9/2017 at 23:03
There are a lot of muslims who condemn these attacks:
[video=youtube;dtCFr34KhSI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtCFr34KhSI[/video]
Fafhrd on 8/9/2017 at 05:00
Quote Posted by Krush
Alt-Right means you're a conservative who finally figured out that the Republican party has never been effective and will never accomplish anything (and is essentially just an arm of the Democrats anyway), so you're looking to
win rather than accept noble defeat after noble defeat. Hence not of the "traditional" Right (failed Republican party) but the "alternative" Right - aka Alt-right.
"Alt-right" was coined by literal neo-Nazi Richard Spencer because he thought 'nazi' was "too old fashioned."
If you're a member of the alt-right, you're a fucking nazi.
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I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here, assuming he's mistaking the alt-right for the isolationist America First populism that's currently sweeping the country.
Renz. Renz. They're the
same fucking thing. "America First" is a neo-nazi dogwhistle with its roots in the nazi sympathizer America First Committee of the '40s.
Pyrian on 8/9/2017 at 05:42
Yeah... When people talk about tolerance, they're basically talking about how you were born (race, sex, nationality, age, disability, sexual preferences, religion), not about how you choose to act. That was never unclear to anybody except those who deliberately wanted to misconstrue the virtue. Obviously there are still lines to be drawn, some of which are by nature difficult to pin down, but issues like religious garb in ID photos aren't what that sort of argument was ever about.
Kolya on 8/9/2017 at 06:07
You are not born with a religion. (And yet I show a lot of tolerance to you Christian lot!)
Pyrian on 8/9/2017 at 06:18
Quote Posted by Kolya
You are not born with a religion.
You're born
into it. See, though? That's the sort of silly semantic quibbling we
should be having. Not the "tolerate my intolerance" rubbish right-wingers try to promote. Renz wants higher quality right-wing posters, but where would they even come from? That wing jumped the shark. Too many of them are just uninterested in making any sort of sense, and they're hard at work cleansing their ranks of those who try to.
Renzatic on 8/9/2017 at 06:36
Quote Posted by Fafhrd
Renz. Renz. They're the
same fucking thing. "America First" is a neo-nazi dogwhistle with its roots in the nazi sympathizer America First Committee of the '40s.
I'm sure the Neo-Nazis took it that way, and I'm equally sure some certain people in Trump's campaign planted that dogwhistle on him, but there are quite a few people in the country who take it by its surface meaning, entirely unaware of the baggage attached to the phrase.
I'm still of the opinion that Trump himself isn't racist, at least not in an actively hateful sense, so much as stupid and opportunistic. He definitely surrounded himself with some racist people. Bannon and Gorka are, at the very, anti-semites. But the man himself? He'll pretty much do anything for money and constant positive reinforcement. He doesn't care what color you are, as long as you pay him, and/or like him.
There isn't much in his past that points towards him being abjectly racist. Remember, he was a northern Democrat at one point in his life. That he dips his toes into alt-right territory isn't due to any unspoken sympathies, so much as he love the neverending praise they lavish upon him (he's playing 4D chess!), and he knows he has their vote come 2020.
...not that this is more excusable in comparison, either way you cut his, his actions have all but brought the ugly side of America directly into the limelight, but I do think this better explains his actions and attitudes than a curt "he's racist".
Pyrian on 8/9/2017 at 06:50
Left-wing discussion: "Should we criticize them?"
Right-wing discussion: "Should we allow them to exist here?"
Sulphur on 8/9/2017 at 07:02
Quote Posted by Renzatic
I'm sure the Neo-Nazis took it that way, and I'm equally sure some certain people in Trump's campaign planted that dogwhistle on him, but there are quite a few people in the country who take it by its surface meaning, entirely unaware of the baggage attached to the phrase.
I'm still of the opinion that Trump himself isn't racist, at least not in an actively hateful sense, so much as stupid and opportunistic. He definitely surrounded himself with some racist people. Bannon and Gorka are, at the very, anti-semites. But the man himself? He'll pretty much do anything for money and constant positive reinforcement. He doesn't care what color you are, as long as you pay him, and/or like him.
There isn't much in his past that points towards him being abjectly racist. Remember, he was a northern Democrat at one point in his life. That he dips his toes into alt-right territory isn't due to any unspoken sympathies, so much as he love the neverending praise they lavish upon him (he's playing 4D chess!), and he knows he has their vote come 2020.
...not that this is more excusable in comparison, either way you cut his, his actions have all but brought the ugly side of America directly into the limelight, but I do think this better explains his actions and attitudes than a curt "he's racist".
I'm sort of amazed that you've taken a clear call to disregard obfuscation and slathered your own dollop of untethered waffle onto it. Trump isn't the subject here. If you've got nothing to say, don't say anything.
