june gloom on 23/7/2011 at 22:35
you're in pennsylvania you have no room to talk
Jason Moyer on 23/7/2011 at 22:37
Yeah, but I haven't lived in Pennsyltucky since I was 19. :)
Edit: Based on wikipedia I've never lived there, weird. I think I'd put Berks (pennsylvania dutch central) in Pennsyltucky before I'd put Lehigh (Allentown, black people) there.
Also, insert pile of inevitable/obligatory political/borderline-bigoted/anti-american-even-though-it-has-nothing-to-do-with-us shit here:
SubJeff on 23/7/2011 at 23:37
Quote Posted by Nicker
How is it that a man capable of this sort of inhumanity can live among humans undetected?
Are you serious? Until now this guy probably had the odd quirk, maybe even a slew of them, but the naivety of this question astounds me. Do you really believe that the people you pass on the street every day are not capable, given the right set of circumstances, of doing terrible things? And do you not think under the correct type of duress that you could kill? Pffft. Wake up.
Shadow on 24/7/2011 at 00:12
What is apparently this guy's "manifesto" has been (
https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1UPMWXTEq9DqhcWBXXRZhMwqDuYsiMahzVIpeK6s9-j0&pli=1) posted online.
Potentially of interest to some here:
"I just bought Modern Warfare 2, the game. It is probably the best military simulator out there and it's one of the hottest games this year. I played MW1 as well but I didn't really like it as I'm generally more the fantasy RPG kind of person - Dragon Age Origins etc .and not so much into first person shooters.
I see MW2 more as a part of my training-simulation than anything else. I've still learned to love it though and especially the multiplayer part is amazing.
You can more or less completely simulate actual operations."
My thoughts?
Oh boy, here we go...june gloom on 24/7/2011 at 01:15
This thread just got so much worse in a way that I was so not expecting.
june gloom on 24/7/2011 at 02:02
Benefit of working for a newspaper: I specifically requested that if this manifesto makes it here, that particular quote, at least, not make it to print. And my opinion was heard.
Jason Moyer on 24/7/2011 at 02:23
I oppose people's attempts at tying video games to psychotic behavior, but it seems dishonest not to report that.
demagogue on 24/7/2011 at 02:32
The thing is over 1500 pages!
He says all sorts of things a newspaper *could* report, and a newspaper could leave out 1499.5 pages of it and still be "honest".
Bottom line, I think it's safe to say that it's not really a core insight into how his brain works & why he did it, and the only reason you'd cherry pick it is if you had some agenda against gaming. There's really no other reason it merits passing 1000s of other more insightful things on the issue at hand. And it's the newspaper's jobs to cherry pick responsibly & economically to get out what the actual issue at hand is at its root.
june gloom on 24/7/2011 at 02:42
Yeah, pretty much. It's a sack of bullshit that adds nothing to the narrative, does not illustrate this guy's thinking in any significant way, is of no use to anyone except moral guardians who'll find it anyway, and would just cause more fearmongering. Maybe if we were the Daily Mail or New York Post it'd run, probably even make the front page, but it has no place in professional news.
Jason Moyer on 24/7/2011 at 03:42
I dunno. Normally the logical trainwreck is - person does something horrible/someone finds out person played videogames/videogames omg bad. In this case the guy is openly saying "I was using Modern Warfare 2 as a training simulator" which doesn't seem the same to me. Then again, you are right and some self-righteous asshole(s) would make that the focus instead of taking the full breadth of evidence pointing to this guy being a loony case into account.
Also, I think it's funny this dude has basically been playing real-life Assassin's Creed since at least 2002. In reverse, anyway.
