nbohr1more on 24/7/2011 at 15:21
It's all too convenient that this act is diffusing the rising antipathy over Islamist moves to curtail Freedom of Speech in European media and the infusion of their cultural imperatives.
I hate to sound like a wacko but my conspiracy meter has not had it's needle this far in the red since the "Oklahoma City bombing" happened PRECISELY during the climax of the "Year of the Angry Voter"...
His manifesto reads like a "media talking points about the emergence of terror". It's all so rigidly partisan and contrived. There is an air of "new media" cliches, as in the kind of foolish "Twitter report" stuff you see on CNN. Maybe he's just parroting propaganda from his group but it almost seems implausibly "cliche partisan villain". If I saw this in a movie I would be saying "Pfft! one dimensional character. Nobody thinks like this... Gimme a break."
How better to smooth relations with OPEC nations and get Euro populations in alignment with "tolerance of intolerance" coming from the influx of conservative Islam? Right at the heart of the nation that dares to print pictures of Mohammed. Will they keep that annual tradition going now? Or will their hearts be wracked with "guilt" over what this man has done? If the latter, how convenient is that for the increasingly wealthy OPEC folks' cultural agendas?
Just too damn coincidental, that's all. My tinfoil hat isn't on tight enough today I guess.
I would rest easier knowing that some rich Oil interests didn't just facilitate some proxy terrorism to pacify their biggest dissenter nation...
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Other thought.
The logic of picking on innocents to further agendas completely escapes me. If your political or religious stance is oppressed it is not by "Joe office worker" or worse "Jane school student", but instead by the rich and the powerful. Attack a rich person who has direct influence over your issue you stupid shit. Go right to their mansion.
Dead children = no change in society except a hunt for the killer.
Dead rich guy = other rich guys thinking twice about how much they malign opposing ideals and one less source of funds to oppose them.
Kuuso on 24/7/2011 at 15:27
Why always fling into conspiracy theories when the simplest answer is the most logical one.
nbohr1more on 24/7/2011 at 15:40
It's easier to live with a world where only the powerful enact evil.
When evil comes from everywhere it is overwhelming and leaves us feeling helpless.
Personally, I hate the feeling of being duped or lied to. The S&L scandal, Enron, the 2000 elections, the "Weapons of Mass Destruction", and the financial meltdown have been enough confirmation to me that conspiracies exist. I don't like being fooled by them.
Yakoob on 24/7/2011 at 15:53
Personally, I think mankind is too much of an arrogant, power hungry, backstabbing and just plain stupid of a specie to successfully pull off a global conspiracy. Sure they might try, but at some point someone will muck it up for their own personal gain. and new outlets like internet or wikileaks make it all the harder to try to conceal stuff like that.
As for "innocent vs. rich targeting" - most terrorists dont want to directly exterminate the people who "oppress" them, they know it's a futile attempt. Instead, they want publicity and an image of being extremely threatening. And nothing gives it to them more than the good old "think of the kids!"
nbohr1more on 24/7/2011 at 16:14
C'mon... exterminating the rich is a futile action? Are their mansions more heavily guarded than places like The World Trade Center? Really? You're telling me that you couldn't just drive into South Beach Florida or any rich guy playground and lay waste to some mansion? Are those "Gated Communities" so fortified?
It's utter baloney.
We see terror happen to targets that are safely away from those who control or influence things. It doesn't make sense other than by the logic of an external motivator that spreads these truly futile tactics to the unwashed and gullible. I will not be surprised to see some day that the Saudis are funding the terror training and that training is specifically misguiding these "warriors" into believing that blowing up random citizens is an effective tactic. After how many decades of that grind have these folks not awoken to how useless these crimes are? Attack your real foe idiots!
(Of course, the overthrow of dictators in the middle east might just be some of the brighter bulbs out there doing just exactly that...)
demagogue on 24/7/2011 at 16:18
1500 pages of mostly casual chat doesn't strike the note of conspiracy. Is there really a guy on payroll that would drivel on for years for such unclear ends at each page? It doesn't grok.
The OK City bombing was on the anniversary of the Waco incident, which every militia member everywhere still gets in a frenzy about, and which itself was a pretty predictable result of putting paranoid armageddonists in proximity to trigger-twitchy federal agents; I could believe any one of them under such stress could have lit the match.
Conspiracy is usually just the word or concept people use when they want to inject some agenda or mysticize the thing with deeper issues. The Lincoln assassination actually *was* a conspiracy, but people talk about it like it was straightforward murder; and everything about the JFK assassination says straightforward murder but people can't get over the conspiracy angle. Just goes to show the gap between the actual forensic case & criminology of conspiracies vs. perceptions in popular consciousness. Some things actually are conspiracies you can charge under the crime of conspiracy, and many things that might seem so have a natural explanation... But all that is a completely different debate from political perceptions when people start conflating messy real world events with overarching values and fears and get the false-positive hinky tingle in every other detail...
Papy on 24/7/2011 at 16:23
Quote Posted by OnionBob
it's true, if you kill the guy then all the people he killed will instantly come back to life
So you think people who view capital punishment as justified are just a bunch of retards? Or is it rather that you don't have any arguments to support your point of view and the only thing you can come up with when someone express a different opinion is an indirect insult?
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But then again, the video states Norway has the lowest murder rate so they must be doing something right.
It doesn't mean that being nice to murderers is one of those things they are doing right. It might be possible that with harsher punishment their murder rate would be even lower.
Yakoob on 24/7/2011 at 16:27
Quote Posted by nbohr1more
C'mon... exterminating the rich is a futile action? Are their mansions more heavily guarded than places like The World Trade Center? Really? You're telling me that you couldn't just drive into South Beach Florida or any rich guy playground and lay waste to some mansion? Are those "Gated Communities" so fortified?
No. Exterminating the rich is a futile attempt because for every CEO you kill there are tens of viceo pres, top execs and even family members just waiting for said CEO to be killed so they can swoop in and take their place.
henke on 24/7/2011 at 17:57
Quote Posted by nbohr1more
Right at the heart of the nation that dares to print pictures of Mohammed.
That was Denmark.
june gloom on 24/7/2011 at 18:14
All I'm saying, Dexter, is that while I knew this thread was going to go in the can, it could at least have waited a day or two.
Then again, what do I expect? When I posted a thread about the Columbine anniversary with a long thoughtful tl;dr, the very first reply basically boiled down to "no, not everybody thinks what they did was evil because there is no such thing as good/evil"
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