Jusal on 29/1/2007 at 13:48
May be slightly spoilerish ahead.
Isn't it a bit strange?
I mean that Pagans' deity is practically dead and they still worship him, the Woodsie Lord. Please do correct me if I'm wrong with this but didn't he die at the end of Thief 1?
Abysmal on 29/1/2007 at 14:01
I take it as Constantine died (Viktoria's "death of a friend" comment in T2), and the Trickster was merely foiled and banished back to whatever realm he inhabits. Constantine was only a manifestation of the Trickster.
Jusal on 29/1/2007 at 14:07
Sounds logical enough.
Personally I've always thought that Constantine actually was the Trickster in disguise.
Elentari on 30/1/2007 at 00:05
I figured Constantine was sort of. . .an illusion, for lack of better word. Sort of his disguise.
And yeah, I figured that was way too easy to kill a god - even a minor one. My general decision about it was that he was foiled and sent back from where he came from - or where he was hiding before he started this gig or whatever. He was apparently gone for a long time there. . .long enough that most people figured he wasn't real. . .so where ever he was during that. And that he could well return when he'd recovered from being. . . whupped. :)
That doesn't mean the characters in game don't THINK he's dead, though.
jtr7 on 30/1/2007 at 04:10
Now, I'm not saying this is fact by any means, but I like to entertain the idea that Constantine/Trickster is like Sauron before his body was destroyed. Sauron was defeated, but not killed, and went away to sulk and build his power back up over hundreds of years. When he came back he had a plan, and that's the Lord of the Rings.
Anyway...:p
I like to think that all those tattoos on the Trickster are the ritualistic tattoos that bound his spiritual self to the flesh that is Constantine. Instead of a mere soul in a shell, this allowed the god to shapeshift and reveal himself, or retreat and hide within the humbler form. Since he is depicted as having great antlers on the old parchments we are shown, and since he was defeated before by the Hammers, we don't know if he's always looked like Constantine or if he's chosen less human forms to inhabit.:erg:
I haven't thought TOO hard about this, so there are still kinks to work out, but writing fanfic is a nice creative exercise in doing so.:thumb:
Pitch on 30/1/2007 at 12:07
Didn't the keeper in the T1 end cutscene say: "The Trickster is dead"?
Palantir on 30/1/2007 at 13:07
Well, I should say, "The Builder is already dead."
And Hammerheads are still worshipping him.
Jusal on 30/1/2007 at 15:01
The opinions still seem a little divided. Thanks for replying everyone.
And Palantir bees keeps the hammerfools out of this thread ;)
CD Set on 30/1/2007 at 15:23
I think I would agree more with the topic creator. I believe the Trickster is dead, (just like Arthemus tells Garrett in the ending cutscene) and that he won't come back.
Ominous cowl on 30/1/2007 at 19:46
Quote Posted by CD Set
I think I would agree more with the topic creator. I believe the Trickster is dead, (just like Arthemus tells Garrett in the ending cutscene) and that he won't come back.
Well, that leaves a big question: TDS releaved that the appareance of undead entities, such as zombies, haunts and glowing mushrooms actually originated from pagan rituals. If their source of power has truly been destroyed, there must exist another explanation for the corpse's unrest. The zombie infestation in the catacombs (TDP-mis3), on the other hand, did not seem to have
any advantage for the pagans - except for testing purposes.
So, with keeping in mind that Keepers are prone to make mistakes as well - it is quite likely that the Trickster is not dead. He might eventually return in another form - maybe as a zombie, now as he is "dead".
