Jusal on 31/1/2007 at 16:42
I'm with Abysmal there. A priest's magic comes from their deity.
Gorgonseye on 5/2/2007 at 02:30
Watching this go back and forth is screwing with my head. I wouldn't call the term banished, or dead really. Can you truly KILL a god? Their invulnerability is what makes them a god no? I see it more that simply his physical avatar was destroyed, and simply can not directly affect our lives, and merely must move events indirectly and can not return to the plane of mortals.
My two cents.
Pitch on 5/2/2007 at 12:35
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Can you truly KILL a god?
Yes, and it's nothing unusual in the world of mythology. Marduk killed Tiamat (babylonian), Set killed Osiris (egyptian) and an exteme case would be ragnarok - the end of world in norse mythology, when most of the gods will be killed. These are examples of actual ancient beliefs, not some fake mythology of fantasy fiction.
marshall banana on 6/2/2007 at 01:32
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Well, let's see...
First, Constantine attempted to SUMMON the Trickster.
=> Constantine is not the Trickster
Then, Garrett swaped The Eye with a false one WHILE Constantine was summoning the Trickster.
And the false Eye caused a deadly blow thus killed Constatine or Constantine-Trickstride.
=>Constantine--dead, Trickster--maybe dead.
This makes sense.:idea:
Wasn't he trying to open a portal to his domain, and release his minions into the world of men?
Palantir on 6/2/2007 at 05:12
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Wasn't he trying to open a portal to his domain, and release his minions into the world of men?
Let's see...
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The Maw has another gateway to the evil world of the Trickster, but the beasts are passing through it very slowly. To speed this up, Constantine is busily preparing a ritual to open up the gateway (for broadband access). When he is completed, all the beasts of his world can invade us without any obstacles.
Really, looks like I've got it wrong...:p
So, let's think about it again...
=>Constantine is dead, well, the Trickster I mean.
Now, about Pagans(Or others) raising Zombies. Do you remember that Hammerite quote:
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The undead are most abhorrent to us. Their flesh is putrid, and the mark of the Trickster is upon them. - from the Mass of Saint Aaron
The Mark of the Trickster...Guess 'twas some sort of Glyphs. So Pagans are not using Trickster's power, it's just some glyphs. Something even more ancient than the Trickster.
:idea:
nicked on 6/2/2007 at 12:30
"the mark of the trickster" could just be a metaphor - doesn't mean there's actually a little pagan eye logo stamped on all the zombies' butts. And you know how biased the hammers can be - there's little to no overtly obvious evidence linking the undead and the trickster.
Jusal on 6/2/2007 at 12:41
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"the mark of the trickster" could just be a metaphor - doesn't mean there's actually a little pagan eye logo stamped on all the zombies' butts. And you know how biased the hammers can be - there's little to no overtly obvious evidence linking the undead and the trickster.
I've never thought the Pagans really like undead or whatsoever, they just aren't as fanatic zombie-bashers as the Hammers are. At least I can't recall anything pointing a link beetween the Pagans and the undead besides that Thief 3 "tip". And when it comes to that as nicked said the Hammerites often connect any unpleasant things with the Trickster.
Meisterdieb on 6/2/2007 at 23:48
What "tip" do you mean?
The only connection between pagans and undead is the "faction mission" you can do, where there are zombies in Fort Ironfist (?). The readables tell of some revenge that the pagans exact on the Hammerites (iby way of zombies and wild growth).
Palantir on 7/2/2007 at 02:41
All in all, Pagans are worshipping a dead god.
Solabusca on 7/2/2007 at 02:53
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What "tip" do you mean?
The only connection between pagans and undead is the "faction mission" you can do, where there are zombies in Fort Ironfist (?). The readables tell of some revenge that the pagans exact on the Hammerites (iby way of zombies and wild growth).
There are only two between Pagans and Zombies: one, the specious declarations of the Hammerites (who would, of course, blame all the dark deeds of the world on the Trickster, as he is the Builder's nemesis) and two, the fact that a pagan is using "the Necromancer's Wand" in TDS.
Now, I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt and suggest that the Pagan in question had somehow acquired the wand and was using it to full advantage to control the already existing propensity for Undeath in the area.
.j.
