Rogue Keeper on 15/10/2008 at 16:11
Well ya see... they don't have time to waste with Deus Ex or Morrowind. They're 'big boys,' they had to study and read a lot, politics is their favourite game and history is their logfile. :erg:
aguywhoplaysthief on 15/10/2008 at 16:31
There were Axe commercials in Rainbow Six Vegas.
They don't make sense.
I still see them when I play the campaign.
Fuck you Ubisoft.
Ko0K on 15/10/2008 at 21:44
Quote Posted by dethtoll
You fail to understand the difference between a regular advertisement and a political advertisement, which is the whole crux of this issue.
There is no way you could've known this, but by taking the "I don't understand" approach, I'd hoped to use a less confrontational tone. Seeing how we're past that stage, what the hell...
Personally I think it's retarded that some people bother to take issues with something that shouldn't amount to more than a momentary distraction, which could be easily tuned out once past initial acknowledgment.
No, I don't fail to distinguish between different types of ads. If this thread resided in CommChat, it would've have fit perfectly with other political discussions in progress there. However, seeing how this was brought up in here, I treated it as though this actually pertained to games rather than politics. I was questioning your rationale as to why it matters if the ads are political in nature or not, because the real question seems to be whether it hinders the game in any way. How the hell is a presidential campaign ad supposed to politicize the game to the extent, that the player would rather obsess with it than give it a passing glance and get back to playing the game? I'm sorry, but your whole argument seems to boil down to the following:
WAAAAAAAAAAAAH! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
Gambit on 15/10/2008 at 22:58
What I find stupid about gaming adverts is that they are simply in game representations of real life adverts instead of using the new medium to full potential.
I mean, why have a "ad" posted in the middle of a virtual race track when you could instead provide a mod, gameplay feature or an entire game based on your product.
Things that got my attention and I liked:
-Yo-Noid! game on the NES. The entire game promoted the pizza company but it was a cool game anyway.
-Underworld mod. A mod for Half-Life where werewolves and vampires would fight in CS stile. Used to hype the release of the Underworld movie. Very cool way to introduce a movie.
-American Army can be considered an advertisement of the AA. It serves the purpose to find new recruits and to show a positive view of army life and philosophy. And does it with the demographic they needed: young males who like first person shooters.
So maybe the best way they can tackle it is make a game around the product instead of forcing a product inside an established game. The message is more persuasive when you interact with the product instead of looking to a virtual static ad. It´s fact since I still remember these games.
Fafhrd on 15/10/2008 at 23:08
I think the bigger question is whether "equal time" laws are going to apply to in-game advertising like they do for TV. Could EA turn down the McCain campaign for ad space, if approached? Which is the only way that this becomes politicization of in-game advertising. EA running Obama ads isn't an implicit endorsement of Obama, it just means the Obama campaign bought ad space first.
june gloom on 15/10/2008 at 23:29
Quote Posted by Ko0K
There is no way you could've known this, but by taking the "I don't understand" approach, I'd hoped to use a less confrontational tone. Seeing how we're past that stage, what the hell...
Personally I think it's retarded that some people bother to take issues with something that shouldn't amount to more than a momentary distraction, which could be easily tuned out once past initial acknowledgment.
No, I don't fail to distinguish between different types of ads. If this thread resided in CommChat, it would've have fit perfectly with other political discussions in progress there. However, seeing how this was brought up in here, I treated it as though this actually pertained to games rather than politics. I was questioning your rationale as to why it matters if the ads are political in nature or not, because the real question seems to be whether it hinders the game in any way. How the hell is a presidential campaign ad supposed to politicize the game to the extent, that the player would rather obsess with it than give it a passing glance and get back to playing the game? I'm sorry, but your whole argument seems to boil down to the following:
WAAAAAAAAAAAAH! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
Now you're just being a dick.
Granted maybe this thread does have a place in CommChat, but I see no reason why we can't talk about politics vis-a-vis games (which we do already) here in GenGaming- we certainly talk about
everything else, and this at least is relevant.
The entire point of the thread was to point out that the last neutral ground has been violated. Product placement is one thing- some of us may mind the ads for badboysbigbirds.com, some of us aren't bothered. But this is
politics- more, it's politics that a good percentage of players
don't even give a shit about because it doesn't involve their country. It's not about equal time laws or about endorsements- it's that there are political ads in my fucking game
at all. Politics has a way of sullying a medium precisely because it gets so nasty. I seriously do not want to see a fucking attack ad when I'm trying to play a game. And that's what I'm pissed about, because this is the beginning of something fucking disgusting; gaming, that great equalizer where the only real arguments are over what game is better or who's the better player, has been turned into a political battlefield. All bets are off. Everyone is fucking fired forever.
EvaUnit02 on 15/10/2008 at 23:40
Quote Posted by dethtoll
more, it's politics that a good percentage of players
don't even give a shit about because it doesn't involve their country.
O rly?
Each game must also be connected to Xbox Live from one of 10 states in North America for the adverts to be viewed.
Massive apparently approached both Barack Obama and rival presidential hopeful John McCain about running in-game campaigns. The latter declined. Perhaps he was busy making chips. (
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=260692) source
june gloom on 15/10/2008 at 23:44
I'd figured that'd be the case, but it doesn't take away from the crux of the issue.
Tonamel on 16/10/2008 at 00:40
Quote Posted by dethtoll
Product placement is one thing- some of us may mind the ads for badboysbigbirds.com, some of us aren't bothered. But this is
politicsIf you don't think Obama is a product that is being marketed just like any other, then I have a bridge you may be interested in.
june gloom on 16/10/2008 at 00:49
i love how people don't understand basic concepts
Obama is not Mountain fucking Dew.
