Holywhippet on 12/7/2006 at 00:19
Quote Posted by CountMRVHS
One of the notes in the Lost City also led me to suspect that the order of the Keepers was descended from a similar organization in the lost city itself. Can't remember details, but it mentioned something about having to hide some information... seemed very Keeperish anyway.
From the mission briefing:
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"The knowledge of those who came before could neither be disseminated or destroyed. Its power would be a dangerous tool in the wrong hands, but would also insure against future cataclysm. At that time we chose to maintain it with writings preserved in extant locations."
If this is the case then it is very unlikely that the Keepers are descended from the Precursors.
Quote Posted by dethtoll
out of this someone comes up with the idea of the master builder and the whole hammer religion. out of this springs some buildings as people start taking hammers to build things and defend themselves against the trickster's minions. (this could also be considered as to why hammers and pagans don't get along- the entire hammer belief system was rooted in defense against pagan creatures!)
This is contradicted by Thief: Deadly Shadows pretty much. At the docks is a monument to indicate that this was where people first landed. To me it suggests that the current city and its residents arrived by boat from some other location.
All things considered, I doubt there is any definitive answer to this discussion. LGS/Ion Storm only made up as much background as they needed to make the game interesting. I doubt they did as much world design as Tolkien.
june gloom on 12/7/2006 at 07:24
Quote Posted by Holywhippet
it is very unlikely that the Keepers are descended from the Precursors.
the keepers do not necessarily have to be direct descendants of precursor intelligentsia. the first keepers likely had managed to uncover a few of their secrets, however, and considering the power of some of those secrets, that was probably how the keepers got their start.
Quote Posted by Holywhippet
At the docks is a monument to indicate that this was where people first landed. To me it suggests that the current city and its residents arrived by boat from some other location.
yes, but ALL of them? no, i should think that the current population is comprised of the descendants of survivors of KD, people from the surrounding country, and people from across the seas, who, if that monument is any indication, arrived before the building of a proper city. if you think about it, this could indicate that some elements of hammerism came from overseas... kinda makes for an interesting FM concept.
dlw6 on 16/7/2006 at 09:23
Like the Hammer Imperium? I hear that takes place long before Garret's time and on another continent.
Don
june gloom on 16/7/2006 at 18:33
yeah, that looks fantastic. can't wait.
themetalian on 25/7/2006 at 22:38
Hey I didn't realise that before Marshall! i like your observation skills! :thumb:
metal dawn on 25/7/2006 at 22:54
It actually would make sense in a way. It's sometimes theorized that the Trickster may have influenced the society of Karath-Din/The Lost City (and may have also had a hand in its fall). Perhaps at one time, the Kurshok and Humans lived together or at least interacted (before the Kurshok were locked away in the Citadel by the Trickster and the Precursors died away).
themetalian on 25/7/2006 at 23:07
Quote Posted by metal dawn
It actually would make sense in a way. It's sometimes theorized that the Trickster may have influenced the society of Karath-Din/The Lost City (and may have also had a hand in its fall). Perhaps at one time, the Kurshok and Humans lived together or at least interacted (before the Kurshok were locked away in the Citadel by the Trickster and the Precursors died away).
That's a good theory, because I read somewhere that the Kurshoks were banished by the Trickster because they didn't worship/respect him. Also karath Din and the area inhabited by the Kurshoks are allegedly very close to each other, so it does make sense that humans and Kurshoks lived together at some point.
metal dawn on 25/7/2006 at 23:40
Quote Posted by themetalian
That's a good theory, because I read somewhere that the Kurshoks were banished by the Trickster because they didn't worship/respect him. Also karath Din and the area inhabited by the Kurshoks are allegedly very close to each other, so it does make sense that humans and Kurshoks lived together at some point.
Yes, that is exactly what I was getting at.
You are right in saying the Kurshok did not respect Constantine. The Kurshok appear to be independently motivated and possess therir own personal goals, therefore, they would rightfully refuse to be submissive. It's been a while since I played, but I'm almost cetain there was an
active betrayal by the Kurshok (an uprising or violent rebellion or sort, but I think they may have tried to steal the Trickster's crown as well; both may very well have been the case).
Holywhippet on 25/7/2006 at 23:57
If I recall the third game correctly, the Trickster gave the Kurshok king the crown. The king got a big ego as a result and declared that he didn't need the Trickster or that he'd no longer take orders from him. This was a very bad idea, the Trickster cut his hand off and banished the Kurshok to live underground.
