theBlackman on 12/3/2011 at 17:31
Quote Posted by theBlackman
In other words, grow up and use the filter of history to understand that yesterday is yesterday. You can't change it. You can merely try not to repeat it.
This line was not directed at you. I should have had a good separator there.
Sorry about that.
Good point
RBJ The changes have been dramatic. There was a time in that era where you could not say "Hell" on TV, now it's common place.
But all the women in TV series were not helpless, in fact a couple of shows made the men, justifiably, look stupid.
Quote Posted by Aja
But this "woman's lib crap" is obviously still just that to you, so it would seem that you haven't considered your own advice at all.
It is CRAP! A rational male knows better. Women are the equal of men in ability, and many more so. I don't say change is not still needed, but educating the population instead of ranting and raving is a better approach, and start with your own children and hope they pass it on.
fett on 12/3/2011 at 19:12
I think the pendulum has swung too far the other direction. Men - particularly fathers and husbands, are portrayed as dumb-ass slobs, incapable of washing a load of laundry or carrying on an intelligent conversation with their teen aged daughters. I saw one just this morning where a woman shops for a washing machine based on how well they remove ridiculous food stains from her husbands shirts - he sits nearby in a recliner with a blank expression on his face, dribbling cheese sauce down himself like a toddler. Fuck off, I say. I could list dozens of these, not to mention male stereotypes in every television show from Modern Family to children's Berenstien Bear books.
Why the fuck is everyone so sensitive about it anyway? I have trouble separating clothes. My wife is a terrible driver. However, I suck at money but can cook like a motherfucker. She knows more about my car engine than I do, but can't iron a shirt. Neither of us gives a shit, and just roll our eyes at the stereotypes.
The main difference I see is that modern stereotypes of stupid men are generally done in with good humor, whereas the older ones of women are demeaning. But the end result is the same. Christie doesn't join in with the "my husband is a deadbeat" bullshit at work because I'm not. Truth be told, neither are the other husbands, but women somehow think it's fine to grind that axe, expected even.
I'm sick today, have no idea what point I was trying to make other than fuck the Berenstein Bears and their stupid treehouse.
theBlackman on 12/3/2011 at 19:53
Well said fett.
Blame the sit-coms for the slob, macho, useless, sex maniac, image.
But then, they are written for the mentally deficient, immature males.
Get well soon. We need you!
Kolya on 12/3/2011 at 20:12
I've notice that effect too, especially in modern ads. I think it's a way to cope with the fact that after women's liberation and having technically equal rights today, women still earn less in the same jobs, they're still a lot less likely to be found in upper management positions and lot more likely to be the one staying at home, etc. There are many reasons for this and only a few have to do with unequal chances or men keeping them down. Others are that women are less ambitious about their career, have different priorities, get the kids, etc.
Anyway, one way to feel better about this situation of sustained but not quite intolerable injustice is to laugh at men being made the fool of more or less dumb jokes in ads and commercials. Funny enough such ads just reinforce existing structures instead of subverting them. Because any woman who feels better about herself by laughing about a stupid male stereotype in a commercial, is also less likely to feel anger about and challenge actual inequality. Because you know, we gals are smarter than that.
So let us be thankful we have commerce, buy more, buy more now, buy and be happy.
ZylonBane on 12/3/2011 at 21:47
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Did women just go along with these kind of adverts back then?
They mostly drank a lot and screwed the deliverymen.
theBlackman on 12/3/2011 at 22:43
As usual most of the kids have no concept or understanding of history.
Yeah JJ, they did. Going back a few centuries, women were considered Chattel (look it up) that changed a bit over time but until the second world war women pretty much stayed home, cooked, raised kids and, except for a few, did not think there was anything else.
And TV's were tuned by a knob. You actually had to get off your ass and walk to the set and select a channel or adjust the volume.
But then, ignorance is bliss, and most people born after 1990 are blissful.
ZylonBane on 12/3/2011 at 23:26
Well gee, no shit. Of course treating women as second-class citizens was once considered normal. But that didn't make it right, which is why lots of people back then fought long and hard to overcome it, you thundering lunktard.
Advertisements like this are funny because they're a testament to blithely ignorant cultural conditioning.
theBlackman on 13/3/2011 at 00:54
Quote Posted by ZylonBane
Well gee, no shit. Of course treating women as second-class citizens was once considered normal. But that didn't make it right, which is why lots of people back then fought long and hard to overcome it, you thundering lunktard.
Advertisements like this are funny because they're a testament to blithely ignorant cultural conditioning.
Right is a condition of the era in which it occurs, not because of your moral or ethical outlook 400 years (or 50) later.
jimjack on 13/3/2011 at 01:11
Quote Posted by theBlackman
As usual most of the kids have no concept or understanding of history.
Yeah JJ, they did. Going back a few centuries, women were considered Chattel (look it up) that changed a bit over time but until the second world war women pretty much stayed home, cooked, raised kids and, except for a few, did not think there was anything else.
And TV's were tuned by a knob. You actually had to get off your ass and walk to the set and select a channel or adjust the volume.
But then, ignorance is bliss, and most people born after 1990 are blissful.
Yeah okay. I know the history, how women were treated and the expectations of them right up to when the ad I posted was concocted. I ask this because they clearly didn't have the right to question it.
If you think most people born after the ninety's is blissful..well, I think you have to reason that our times are'nt as simple as they were back in the day when you had to get off your ass to adjust knobs.
