Tocky on 14/3/2011 at 02:18
GTFO.
Quote Posted by Scots Taffer
It's less the photocopiers/typewriters and overt sexism, that's fine and often has a point - it's just that the show tries (and regularly succeeds, admittedly) to breeze through entire stretches on the 60s vibe alone; relying on the pure cool of drinking, smoking and womanising to be content enough. Perhaps my saying "oh ho ho" and "to the point of parody" sold my point the wrong way, I'm more inferring that it doesn't do
enough with the era sometimes, instead relying on broad stereotypes.
Ad Men is as representative of the 60s as Snookie is of this one. Most folks of all generations strive to raise a family and instill values in them. In the past the roles were more deliniated but my Dad did laundry and Mom worked. She cooked and he took care of the bills though. You did whatever you did with love and caring for your family. I sometimes worry that todays kids will actually believe Houswives of NJ or any reality show is real when it's truely a bunch of freakshow idiots. If thier homelife is good then they must surely know. FS there's even a country song about this.
However bad it is today (and it is- kolya has likely seen the ad about a guy watching a woman on a workout bike go sniff the seat after she leaves) nothing can beat this one from the 70s.
Inline Image:
https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/images.owni.fr/pub_vintage_023.jpgWhat in hell were they thinking? Lets go after the perv market because every guy in this room is so the world must be too?
Kolya on 14/3/2011 at 13:56
Today's hypocritical anti-paedo-hysteria, is way more screwed up than that ad.
Of course that girl looks cute and sexy. You didn't want to dispute that, did you?
This reflex to display moral outrage at anything that might vaguely resemble under age sexiness has long passed the point of absurdity. It works by the same rules we (
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135055&p=2054430&viewfull=1#post2054430) just discussed for homophobia: By creating a taboo around something that might be interesting, building it up to the point of a social obsession and subsequently making the subject way more interesting than it originally used to be. Taboos make great sexual fantasies.
Young girls exert a natural attraction on men. The main point of attraction isn't even the new and firm flesh, but the promise of a youth that we once had. A longing that's
"less for her than for the way you were", to say it (
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_jRDVStzOY) with J. Richman.
This is so common that getting upset about it is really but a joke. Especially because it mixes up completely normal men with actual paedophiles.
Those have a sexual bias that for all we know is as unchangeable as hetero- and homosexuality. Of course this bias is incompatible with society and they have to learn to suppress it. But treating them as monsters and sub-humans and threatening them with death, whether they act on their bias or not, as is common in these hysteric times, is not just not helping. It betrays a very inhumane aspect of ourselves.
Anyway, I haven't seen that ad but sniffing bike seats sounds like a fun fetish and a contraception method with much potential.
fett on 14/3/2011 at 17:33
Thanks for making that distinction, Koyla. This is a subject close to my heart because I have a "thing" for little girls (gah, that sounds awful...). What I mean is that I tend to favor them, spoil them, etc. moreso than boys. I had no sisters, and I have no daughters, therefore I tend to dote on friends daughters, nieces, etc. There's nothing sexual about it at all, just a fascination with the way little girls interact with me and others from boys. I've worried in the past that people think I'm a weirdo because of it, but friends realize it's innocent and start to think it's funny after awhile.
I don't think I'm articulating this very well, and it's a touchy subject, so I want to be clear. As an example, my friend Aly has three girls and our kids play together a lot (back in Arkansas). If there's a disagreement or mischief, I always tend to side with/defend the girls, to the point that Aly won't let me settle arguments anymore. I just have a great affection for her kids - she dresses them really cute, they have adorable little quirks and expressions that are so different from my boys. They all know that I'll give them anything they ask for (candy, etc.) because I can't say no to them. I guess it's more like the way a little girl has her grandfather wrapped around her finger, and knows it. I was even like this as a teenager when I worked with kids - I gravitated toward the girls because they were different from what I'd grown up with.
With this particular family, and also some of my nieces, it's exactly what Koyla's saying - they have a carefree spirit that I never really had as kid. Obviously it's possible to be "attracted" to that in a purely platonic sense.
henke on 14/3/2011 at 19:00
AND THE PAEDOS COME OUT OF THE WOODWORK
hahaha no, just kidding. Yes fett and Kolya I get what you're saying. :)
ZylonBane on 14/3/2011 at 22:06
Lolitas aside, that sort of imagery evokes the horrible child beauty pageant subculture, populated by psychotic egomaniacal mothers destroying their daughters' childhoods by forcing them to enter contest after contest after contest.
Shug on 14/3/2011 at 23:50
I agree with Zylon, it really does represent the worst of parenting.
demagogue on 15/3/2011 at 00:07
Definitely. I was suckered by my family into volunteering for a beauty pageant once and it's like a massive sick Freudian sublimation-fest, not just the mothers, but the audience, the judges, the sponsors. (There always seems to be a Republican congressman involved.) They're all like that etiquette lady in Borat, completely detached from reality and (what probably gets me the most) so willfully blind to how transparent the whole thing is.
They'll get seriously offended if you say "hell", but seem to have no concept how transparently their psychological issues are bubbling to the surface through their ridiculous rationalizations, "decency", and "simple, good natured fun" (usually involving over-sexualizing girls not really to be attractive, but just creepy), and get very hostile at the mere hint of it (which they'll chalk up as radical feminazi wet-blanketness or something). Not surprising the very gay and very homophobic, conservative, and "proper" guy I mentioned before was also an enthusiastic beauty pageant judge. I don't know how these people survived through the last few decades to still be around.
CCCToad on 15/3/2011 at 00:10
Small mystery, hypocrites exist in ever age. The only thing that matches their hypocrisy is their ability to rationalize their behavior.
At the very least, they'll just claim that those who would dare criticize them "just don't get it" or "couldn't possibly comprehend" why their behavior is justified and right.
Renzatic on 15/3/2011 at 01:14
Wait. Demagogue was a contestant in a beauty pageant?
demagogue on 15/3/2011 at 01:24
Volunteer contestant? No, volunteer setting up chairs & tables. Shit like that.
