CCCToad on 18/3/2011 at 05:48
A couple hypothetical questions about sexual harassment in general.
The line between harassment and normal relations can be a bit blurry. While one person might react enthusiastically to a proposition for casual sex, another person might be mortified. Most women are also going to react differently to a proposition from the slightly corpulent desk clerk than they would if Aaron Rodgers suggested a quick escapade to his hotel room. While the one might have a hard time getting any sex whatsoever, women line up hoping for a chance to sleep with a Superbowl-winning quarterback. Isn't true that "harassment" is largely subjective? If you find the person making advances attractive I'd think that you'r probably going to reciprocate instead of feeling harassed.
Where it becomes coercive can also be a bit blurry. A sexual advance could easily feel coercive if it comes from someone who has a social status which is clearly higher. Even if the person making advances feels not intent to coerce, the desire to curry favor can do a lot to put pressure on his crush. In other words, when does it turn from "sleeping up the ladder" into harassment?
ercles on 18/3/2011 at 07:05
Quote Posted by Tocky
You cling to armchair hypothosis as if it could fend off reality. Good luck with that. The girl in the photo just starts a cascade of unwanted memories. Most of the time I'm a happy guy by nature. It is nice to know there are people who can live in a textbook world though.
What's dealing more with reality? Trying to actually deal with the issue in a rational matter, or pretending that vigilantism is acceptable in certain situations? Paedophilia is an extremely complicated issue, obviously almost entirely because of the damage caused and the rate of recidivism, but the problem of what actually leads people into doing this in the first place needs to be considered. If we don't try and understand something about the root causes of this whole fucked up issue, all we are left with is people feeling that they have to take matters into their own hands, or escalating punishments that don't really seem to line up with the underpinnings of many judicial systems.
I actually think that one of the biggest issues is the lack of any rational discussion on the topic from either the media or politicians. All we get is emotionally charged rhetoric that seems to just play to the (righteous) outrage and hurt felt by the abused and their families, or parents scared shitless that this is about to happen to their kids.
Tocky on 18/3/2011 at 16:55
And it could. Predators are always on the prowl even when they don't realize it. I don't have time to go into this right now but when fett said what he did I recognized it immediately as venting. You don't fill a bucket up with shit and expect roses to slop over. Sure some of them aren't monsters and I am grateful for thier forbearence believe me but the ones who do succeed in a case like Pigs can leave behind terrible damage. Some victims even take thier lives over it.
Sometimes talk helps and sometimes I have to let it be. Have you ever had a chipped tooth and your tongue keeps finding it until it rubs a sore spot and you know you should leave it be but your stupid tongue won't listen?
Kolya on 18/3/2011 at 19:36
Tocky, advocacy of violence in this issue is unfortunately not at all limited to victims and their family.
I apologise that I misinterpreted you. And I understand that my view might seem like an "armchair hypothesis" from your point.
However you might also know that the opinion of victims of a specific crime rarely makes for an objective guide on how best to deal with the crime in general, as revenge isn't the same as justice.
You're right, I fortunately have never become a victim of sexual predators nor has anyone close to me. But my empathy isn't just a naive luxury and your view isn't the "right" one because you've come in close contact with the subject. If you were a judge you would be called biased in this issue.
CCCToad, the difference between making an advancement and sexual harassment is understanding the meaning of the word "no". It's that simple.
Yakoob on 18/3/2011 at 19:45
Tocky, if it's not too much to ask, would you care to explain your situation (or post a link if you have so in the past)? Looks like you went through a lot of bad shit and knowing more about it might make it easier for us to understand where you are coming from.
Tocky on 19/3/2011 at 02:55
This is just wrong for me to dwell on especially on the open forum. I need to let it be.
Did I just tell fett he was full of shit in my last post? That's not what I meant but damn everybody dumps thier shit on him and I'm no different. He's a good guy for taking it.
Vivian on 19/3/2011 at 03:43
How the fuck did this end up being about pedophiles?
june gloom on 19/3/2011 at 06:54
The real question is, how the fuck did it take this long?
Martin Karne on 19/3/2011 at 09:33
Hey people learn this...
normal adult people get momentarily excited by looking at naked kids (but not fully aroused) and then forget what they saw in minutes or seconds.
But not pedophiles, they cannot forget what they saw so easily and they will bring that naked mental image around for a long time and even wank to that memory for years to come, if they don't rape a kid in between periods of inactivity that is.
At least this is what is now known about the subject.
Martin Karne on 19/3/2011 at 09:38
And yeah what would you expect about old ads, the companies were controlled by an adult who was in his teen years no less than 40-30 years ago in those days, now long time 6 feet under pushing up daisies.
They had no freedom to bypass their almost senile boss views on the subject (most likely owned by the same old guy in charge), "take this idea and work over it or get fired Junior."
