Koki on 7/12/2008 at 18:09
Quote Posted by dethtoll
TI'm not saying that some overly dramatic bullshit animu is to be praised to the heavens
Funny, that's exactly how it sounded to me
P.S. I am not american
june gloom on 7/12/2008 at 18:27
No, you're Koki.
The_Raven on 7/12/2008 at 18:36
Quote Posted by dethtoll
This alone pretty much negates your point. You have to give Japan a bit of a pass because melodrama is pretty much ingrained in their DNA.
Huh?
june gloom on 7/12/2008 at 18:50
Too complex?
The_Raven on 7/12/2008 at 18:56
Maybe, I just don't see how melodrama can be so ingrained into a culture as to give it a complete pass.
ercles on 7/12/2008 at 19:21
I had this discussion with a mate who loves anime just the other day, and I can say that I really don't get this whole concept, largely because I don't watch that much anime (largely because I judge japanese writing by western standards). Does this mean that when we see another over the top action flick in America that is certainly core to their film culture, we just let it slide despite the fact that it has nothing of value to offer apart from special effects? I'm just trying to figure out if there is an analagous situation outside of Japan.
Surely the problem extends outside of just melodrama as well with anime, it often seems to me to rely far too much on cliche (especially when it comes to characters), and often just takes itself waaaaaaaay to seriously.
june gloom on 7/12/2008 at 20:01
Quote Posted by The_Raven
Maybe, I just don't see how melodrama can be so ingrained into a culture as to give it a complete pass.
So it
is too complex because I never said they deserve a complete pass for it, just more slack than we'd give Hollywood.
The_Raven on 7/12/2008 at 21:41
Why should they be given more slack than Hollywood, though? It's not like melodrama hasn't been used to death there either. I just don't see why more slack should be made in one case and not the other. I just do not see the supposed 'obvious' differences between the two cases. As far as I'm aware, there aren't really any differences to what is considered proper storytelling and narrative in either culture without relying on the usual bog standard cliches. If I'm indeed wrong on this one, it is mostly due to my lack of multicultural knowledge.
Damn, I really wish I was better at articulating and communicating my points.
Andarthiel on 7/12/2008 at 22:11
Quote Posted by Sulphur
I just finished MGS3, and honestly apart from the philosophising it's been a ripping yarn, going from adrenaline-filled to sad to weird to hilarious to poignant during all of its 17 hour stretch. One of the finest moments in gaming, IMO, and it's been a while since the ending of
any game's moved me as much as this one.
Anybody who dislikes it because they think the story sucks either has ADD or needs a cactus shoved up their rectum.
Well at least one person here speaks sense. After all MGS1 is rated as one of the best games ever alongside the likes of Zelda etc.
