ladderman on 14/4/2009 at 17:37
hello
I have 2 questions that i have come across when doing my half yearly playthrough of the adventures of garrett,other wise known as the thief trilogy.
1. In the breifing to the mission"assassins",garret talks of buying some new tools(lockpicks).I propose to think that garrett would be starting out in his career as a thief,9-12 months.Why do i think this?.Are we to believe that garrett got into properties without lockpicks,the doors were OPEN?!!.
2. When garrett swapped,the false eye in the maw of chaos,why didn't the trickster notice the false eye(being hammerite made).After all we get the hatred he has for the hammmerites in the cutscene before the mission"the haunted cathedral",the scum Hammerites he calls them so surely he would notice anything coming from the hammerites.
Any thoughts anbody.Thank you
colin
theBlackman on 14/4/2009 at 17:49
Quote Posted by ladderman
hello
I have 2 questions that i have come across when doing my half yearly playthrough of the adventures of
Garrett,other wise known as the thief trilogy.
1. In the breifing to the mission"assassins",
Garret talks of buying some new tools(lockpicks).I propose to think that
Garrett would be starting out in his career as a thief,9-12 months.Why do i think this?.Are we to believe that
Garrett got into properties without lockpicks,the doors were OPEN?!!.
He could have had a set that were not as good a quality. He could have been picking pockets and getting keys. He could have been going in open windows. There are a number of operative scenario that would explain it.
Quote Posted by ladderman
2. When
Garrett swapped,the false eye in the maw of chaos,why didn't the trickster notice the false eye(being hammerite made).After all we get the hatred he has for the hammmerites in the cutscene before the mission"the haunted cathedral",the scum Hammerites he calls them so surely he would notice anything coming from the hammerites.
Any thoughts anbody.Thank you
colin
The device being a magical artifact, and possibly BOTH the original and the fake made by the Hammerite artisans, he might not notice the difference. And in the final scene. The Woodsey Lord was in the middle of a ritual with a device he KNEW was the original. The exchange occurred whilst he was engaged in casting the spell. He had no time, nor need, to re-examine the artifact (The EYE) in the midst of his spell.
The EYE was in the possession of the Hammerites prior to the Keepers stealing and hiding it. The Cathedral mission has many referrences to the EYE in the cathedral, and the difficulty the Hammers had controlling it. It is suspected that the EYE was a construct of the Hammerite artisans and mages to begin with.
Gambit on 14/4/2009 at 21:43
Isn´t the Eye a Keeper artifact?
I remember that in TDS the Keepers mention the creation of five artifacts so that there can be some sort of safe device in case the gliphs get out of control, so they can be used as the final gliph to stop keeper corruption. But I don´t remember the story very clearly.
jtr7 on 14/4/2009 at 22:53
It's very possible and quite likely The Eye gemstone already existed, just as the Kurshok Crown existed and was given to them by the Trickster himself, the Jacknall's Paw was the severed hand of Gruliac the proud King of the Kurshok, the Heart was a big ruby. The Keepers made a pact with them and five Keepers were sacrificed to the Soul Stones--metaphorically, a blood-sacrifice, as it were, and the Artifacts agreed. As malicious as they were, they never lied and kept their end of the bargain. It must've been well worth it to them. No surprise the Keepers knew what to do to seal The Eye in the Cathedral.The Horn of Quintus was valuable enough for Garrett to finally acquire a nce set of lockpicks, and that whole kit they came with: (
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118315&highlight=lockpicks)
In the T1/TG OBJDESC file for when Garrett is making his purchases at the store, there's this unused bit, below the one we are familiar with:
Quote:
use_lockpick: "These tools will let you unlock most locks, with a little work."
use_pricey_lockpick: "These tools will let you unlock most locks, with a little work. Cost:
4000 for the pair."
Whoa! The devs originally intended the Horn to be valuable enough to give the player the choice to buy these! They knew that Farkus Functionals was loaded with equipment for Garrett to complete the overall mission, or they made it so to compensate (makes sense, anyway). Instead they opted to have the lockpicks already purchased and in his inventory, with only the loot from the last mission to make purchases with.
As for the Trickster's Ritual, I guess he's supposed to be so excited, in deep concentration, totally unaware of Garrett's presence, and it's likely the Fake Eye had no special properties at all. If the Trickster could not sense any emanation of power from it and The Eye did not communicate with him, he wouldn't notice. The theory that is growing in popularity is that the Fake Eye was completely neutral and did nothing, and the Trickster killed himself when his spelled backfired, never focused through the real Eye, and the power never sent through any portal, or between dimensions. The Eye used to cry out "Master! Master!" to warn him of Garrett or some other danger, too.Dante on 15/4/2009 at 00:30
:nono:
Quote Posted by theBlackman
He could have had a set that
was not as good
[Cut out "a," but then again "as good quality" may itself be incorrect in formal English!] quality. He could have been picking pockets and getting keys. He could have been going in open windows. There are a number of operative scenario
s that would explain it.
The device being a magical artifact, and possibly BOTH the original and the fake made by the Hammerite artisans, he might not notice the difference. And in the final scene
[fragment]. The
Woodsie Lord was in the middle of a ritual with a device he KNEW was the original. The exchange occurred whilst he was engaged in casting the spell. He had no time, nor need,
[Consider ". . . neither the time nor the need.] to re-examine the artifact (The EYE) in the midst of his spell
-casting [Otherwise you're putting forward the possibility of re-examining the artifact within the spell itself, which makes no sense at all. Alternatively, you could write, ". . . to re-examine the artifact (the Eye) while casting the spell.].
The EYE was in the possession of the Hammerites prior to the Keepers stealing and hiding it. The Cathedral mission has many
references to the EYE in the cathedral
[Cut out the comma here.] and the difficulty the Hammers had controlling it. It is suspected that the EYE was a construct of the Hammerite artisans and mages to begin with.
jtr7 on 15/4/2009 at 00:54
:weird: What the taff? ↑
Dante on 15/4/2009 at 01:53
He went out of his way to correct capitalization errors (on a forum!) so I thought I'd have a go.
theBlackman on 15/4/2009 at 02:06
Quote Posted by Dante
He went out of his way to correct capitalization errors (on a forum!) so I thought I'd have a go.
Pay no attention to JT :D
When formulating an answer and typing as I go, I do, <s>sometimes</s> on occasion, get the parsing, and structure incorrect. No offense, and the "correction" you mention was just a minor joke. But I take your point. :)
How would you like to edit my next story? :ebil:
Dante on 15/4/2009 at 02:08
I'll pass. :laff:
theBlackman on 15/4/2009 at 02:12
Quote Posted by Dante
I'll pass. :laff:
I'll receive, but I don't run as fast as I uster! :)
