Yandros on 11/4/2018 at 12:08
Running Interference is an entire manor estate, not "some generic half basement".
marbleman on 11/4/2018 at 12:19
I can understand when people say that Thief 1 is better than Thief 2 or vice versa, but I will never understand those who say Thief 3 is better than either of those. I don't mean that it's bad or that you shouldn't enjoy it, but how is it better than Thief 1 or 2 is beyond me.
zajazd on 11/4/2018 at 12:20
Then it must be even worse than I remember cos all I remember is the basement xD
IAmTheWalrus on 11/4/2018 at 12:45
Yandros, you registered the date I was born. You've been a Thief fan for as long as I've been alive :cheeky:
Personally, my main problem with Thief 2 is the level design. It's not nearly as memorable or inventive, I often find the movement glitches on the environment (as well as AI) which is something that has never happened to me on Gold and there are small design flaws that just show to me that the devs weren't as talented as the ones from Gold. The existence of tiny brown coins that blend in well with the environment and are very hard to see even at 4K is a great example of this, as well as how pointless vine arrows are, and how Masks is the same level as the previous and even though you can go up to the top level on the previous and case the place you still have to do Masks which makes no sense. Levels are also mind-numbingly tedious at times. I don't see how there's any joy in having to go back and forth over and over to open all the doors in Shipping and Receiving for example. I also think it's occasionally more linear than the first game. It's just not much fun to play. Also whereas every single mission in Gold had you meet a loot requirement fewer do in Thief 2. It's more about stealing one thing as an objective than a dozen things. This is why I actually think Thief Gold lives up more to its title than 2 which is against what some people seem to say, although I think complaining about a games relation to its title is silly anyway. It also doesn't help that I had no idea for 2 playthroughs that the smaller bots can't even see you... certainly made the Bank a pain to play. My fault of course, not the games'.
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Interestingly, Soulforge is my absolute favourite OM. I loved the 3D nature of it and how all the parts connected to each others (this is why I'm a big fan of JIS's missions too). It is challenging, but it is fun. I have finished it many times and successfully ghosted it on expert (except for the turret room...what a room!).
One day I'll finish it. I always did intend on doing it at least once. Who knows, I might love it! Instead of restarting the game, now whenever I feel like playing Thief 2 I work my way through the last 3 levels. So far I'm barely through Masks.
IAmTheWalrus on 11/4/2018 at 12:47
Quote Posted by marbleman
I can understand when people say that Thief 1 is better than Thief 2 or vice versa, but I will never understand those who say Thief 3 is better than either of those. I don't mean that it's bad or that you shouldn't enjoy it, but how is it better than Thief 1 or 2 is beyond me.
Its atmosphere, graphics, audio design, music, immersion, personality, level settings, variety and level design is massively superior to Thief 2 personally. No exaggeration. I mean massively. But hey, that's just me.
McTaffer on 11/4/2018 at 22:07
Quote Posted by IAmTheWalrus
Yandros, you registered the date I was born. You've been a Thief fan for as long as I've been alive :cheeky:
Whoa, there's someone younger than
me on here? Madness.
Anyway, when I really think about it neither Thief game is really ahead of the other, at least for me (I'm not counting TDS- as much as I love it, it doesn't stand up against the LGS ones in terms of overall quality). If for whatever reason I had to pick only one (I'm talking OMs only here) to have for the rest of my life I'd be dithering for ages. The only reason that Thief 2 ultimately takes the crown for me is that there are more FMs available for it, which gives it a longer life in terms of play/replay value. Also, TG's Thieves' Guild is the worst level of all of them. I know that's cliche to hate on it, but anyone I've ever gotten to at least try Thief, regardless of how interested they are, always gives up because of that taffing sewer maze.
Yandros on 11/4/2018 at 22:30
There are several taffers on here I know of who are younger than both of you by a few years. :D
downwinder on 12/4/2018 at 05:02
i rate everything amazing from t1/g/2/3 except the double mansion mission in t2 and the sluggish movement due to Garrett having a body
i happen to like the plain simple nature of the level looks/layout over all,why spend forever making a mission most will play maybe 3 times if you lucky
Sanctus Germanus on 12/4/2018 at 05:14
Man, 2016? Did I really get three congratulatory emails from this Forum already?
I'm replaying Thief Gold right now, so soon enough you'll have my updated list on that one, The Metal Age and T2X, just hold this thread for a little while!
(Cricket sound)
By the way, I'm counting T2X because it is more than a fan-made: it's an act of love, and more a true Thief game than the well-meaning but ill-fated Deadly Shadows.
Aemanyl on 12/4/2018 at 06:47
It sounds like a blasphemy, but I am not a big fan of "The Sword". Yeah, the mansion is designed in a crazy way, but after fifteen minutes of exploring, I just get bored. Getting to Constantine's sword on the top floor provides no challenge - just a combination of moss and water arrows and finally one rope arrow to grab the sword. There are some traps here and there, but they are very easy to avoid once you learn how they work. Patrol routes of guards are not a big deal, you just have to be patient. Required loot on expert (1500) is simple to find. Finding incriminating evidence? Again, easy job. The only thing I like about this mission is music and the general twist of plot that comes after completing it.
Or maybe I am doing something wrong? Why do you guys like "The Sword"?