Pyrian on 10/7/2013 at 21:36
Y'know, N'Al, all I'm saying is that SOME control schemes are MUCH more intuitive than others.
I'll bet those people you handed a mouse to for the first time were also unfamiliar with computers. Those of us - and we were legion at the time - who made the transition from DOS to Windows didn't really have any problems with the mouse itself (Windows was another matter). How do you think your mouse-fumbling friend would've fared with Dwarf Fortress?
N'Al on 11/7/2013 at 06:33
True enough.
As I said earlier, though, I consider controllers incredibly intuitive, but I know that's not the case for everyone (case in point: my sister). Hence I wouldn't want to presume it's automatically going to be intuitive for others just cause it is for me. Same is true for any other control scheme.
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Also, both kb+m and controllers are pretty low on the intuitive scale, all things considered. Here's a few things I can think of off the top of my head that are easier to pick up than either of those:
* Touchscreen
* Light gun
* Wiimote, Kinect, Sony Move
* Guitar Hero controller
* The Matrix, Holodeck, Johnny Mnemonic's disembodied hands
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faetal on 11/7/2013 at 09:53
So in a nutshell, Minority Report = kb & mouse are rubbish?
N'Al on 11/7/2013 at 10:18
Pretty much.
faetal on 11/7/2013 at 10:33
I'll go along with that.
Muzman on 11/7/2013 at 10:48
Most of those are only as good as the system that they're inputting into really.
You might think it goes without saying, which is probably true, but it means that the full power of the mouse hasn't really been explored. It's particularly plain with things like touchscreens. Touch type interfaces have been around for quite a while, but it's only really now they've taken hold that you see things going back the other direction. Things regular windows GUIs should have been doing a while ago like gestures and flicking start appearing thanks to expectations now.
In a way games have it easy as they can custom design a specific control scheme, concept of space and feedback to suit just one game (particularly weird ones like motion controllers and light guns). OS GUIs can't do that as easily. It's partly why smartphones implemented touch systems better, I think; here was entirely new thing and they could discard all previous conceptions and start afresh (and why they're still quite frustrating and restrictive to long time computer users)
Pyrian on 11/7/2013 at 19:30
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* Touchscreen
Touch screens are incredible. Babies can use them. Can't walk, can't talk, can easily browse pictures and select applications on a touchscreen. Just amazing. Mind, they'll probably try to eat it, too.
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* Wiimote, Kinect, Sony Move
I'm a big fan and heavy user of motion controls - and I call nonsense. Maybe someday, but we're not there yet. Selecting options with these devices tends to default to acting just like a
really bad mouse, or woefully inadequate voice recognition that often won't even do what you want it to do (e.g., voice control in Dance Central is surprisingly decent at selecting a song, but will not allow you to select a playlist).
N'Al on 11/7/2013 at 20:37
Ok, you really don't seem to understand what 'intuitive' means.
Besides, the examples you're giving are just gross exaggerations/ oversimplifications anyway.
Vojtechsonik on 11/7/2013 at 20:57
Have you played Boiling Point: Road to Hell? I loved it for gameplay and freedom and hated it because it was uknown to most of the mankind (and bugs, but hey they mostly fixed it with patch).
Pyrian on 11/7/2013 at 23:38
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Ok, you really don't seem to understand what 'intuitive' means.
Stooping to personal attacks, I see. I think we can safely assume it's because you have nothing of substance to add.
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Besides, the examples you're giving are just gross exaggerations/ oversimplifications anyway.
They're not exaggerations - at all. These are all things I saw happen with people I know in my presence. Of course they're oversimplifications (I'm not writing a research paper on this, nevermind gathering focus groups and whatnot), but going into exquisite detail will just make the comparisons more stark.
