Phatose on 25/1/2012 at 19:17
You know, I read your link.
And it's clearly "How to Create jobs: Do not give a fuck about the quality of those jobs you create."
Repeal all laws doing anything whatsoever to regulate abuse of employees by employers, and the free market will solve all those problems. Yeah, we've seen that particular approach. That's why we have all those regulations in the first place - the end result was conditions unbelievably horrid for anyone who wasn't a capitalist.
Yeah, no thanks.
jay pettitt on 25/1/2012 at 19:27
Aside from generating some fizziness in the economy (your national workiness), it also leaves you in an inordinately better off position when you get out of the hard times if your public sector has taken it on the chin and and responded by investing in your workforce, infrastructure and whatnot.
Whereas here in the UK it's austerity all the way thanks to a Government that's a majority owned subsidiary of the Banking Sector. Ain't nobody gonna invest in you now or later if your big economic plan is to stagnate through the hard times (edit - or if you follow Kitties linky - use the opportunity to become a banana republic).
Finance != Economics. Neither for that matter are Pounds and Dollars standard index units.
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Coo, just read the linky too. Where do you find them? I'm not sure that investing in energy, public infrastructure, education, health, social programmes etc etc counts as digging ditches and filling them in again. At least not unless you've a mighty big chip on your shoulder and are so hilariously biased that you probably shouldn't be offering counsel to a house committee anyway.
scarykitties on 25/1/2012 at 20:45
Quote Posted by dethtroll
never argue with someone who remembers posts and PMs like yours for their humour value
I think you're a tad obsessed, dethy. Why don't you get a life, hm? I think I recommended DrowTales then because that's when I first found it and it was neat at first. Then I got very sick of how anime-ish it was.
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Also, I'm just going to defer to RBJ, because unlike you, he actually knows what the fuck he's talking about. If he tells you to fuck off, it's because he has very little tolerance for ignorant nonsense like what you're spouting out...
The point of discussion is to learn more, otherwise why the fuck are any of us on this message board to begin with? RBJ may well be absolutely correct and myself absolutely wrong, but so far it looks to me like we just have differing points of opinion on a hotly-debated topic and it's really either way. I find it funny that you don't know enough to actually respond intelligently, deth, so you hide behind someone smarter than you and stick your tongue out, going, "nah, nah" and accepting whatever is said as your position outright because you can't think up a position on your own. I may be wrong, but I'm at least using my brain and what I know to try to come to a reasonable conclusion, here.
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parroting from your professor, who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about -- and no, having a PhD doesn't mean he does.
Funny, can you explain to me WHY my professor doesn't know what he's talking about? What, you don't actually know and you're just parroting what RBJ says? Yeah, I thought so.
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Also, Jesus Christ your skin is so thin it must be like paper. It's like talking to Jashin only you haven't started calling anyone who disagrees with you "stupid like a woman," so there's that I guess.
Why SHOULD I bother to be more tolerant when I'm being attacked by you? I didn't even remember who you were until you reminded me, and I only knew because you insisted on attacks. Hell, that's where my initial report of you came from, anyway. So I don't see why you're asking for tolerance of your trollish nature when you give no reason to tolerate it.
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You know, I read your link.
And it's clearly "How to Create jobs: Do not give a fuck about the quality of those jobs you create."
Repeal all laws doing anything whatsoever to regulate abuse of employees by employers, and the free market will solve all those problems. Yeah, we've seen that particular approach. That's why we have all those regulations in the first place - the end result was conditions unbelievably horrid for anyone who wasn't a capitalist.
Yeah, no thanks.
True, you don't want to remove ALL regulation, but I think that there is a middle ground that encourages job growth but doesn't throw all ethics out the window.
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Coo, just read the linky too. Where do you find them? I'm not sure that investing in energy, public infrastructure, education, health, social programmes etc etc counts as digging ditches and filling them in again. At least not unless you've a mighty big chip on your shoulder and are so hilariously biased that you probably shouldn't be offering counsel to a house committee anyway.
The problem is WHERE investments are going. Government subsidies are going to places like Cylindra, which was just a big waste of American dollars because the President wants to force a futuristic energy system that we just aren't technologically prepared to deliver. Instead of investing (or lifting regulation) on existing energy resources, such as coal, oil, natural gas, and even nuclear he's trying to choke down those industries and push solar and wind power. Problem is that solar and wind power not only aren't efficient, they're not always available in the quantities one needs.
Really, the best option for clean, safe power is hydroelectric, but not everywhere has a river powerful enough to power another Hoover Dam, so in lieu of that, we either need to settle for energy that isn't always where we need it when we need it (solar, wind) or we need to bring the energy to us (fossil fuels, nuclear). I don't feel that this administration has a strong grasp on reality in this regard.
As for public infrastructure, if you mean roads and such, that is handled by state governments (or in some cases, counties), but not the federal dollars (at least in most cases). Education isn't being improved by throwing more money at it because of regulation that keeps poor teachers in schools and forces learning curriculums that don't necessarily work (No Child Left Behind--my parents are teachers by profession, so I'm aware of regulation having a negative effect on education). Also, see "Waiting for Superman."
As for social programs, I don't see how those can be seen as "investments." Are you talking about Welfare? Because, as someone who grew up on a Native American reservation, I can tell you that Welfare has an enormous power to harm by creating a dependent, lazy culture that has no employable skills and merely leeches off of taxpayer money. If you're talking about Social Security, it's not really an investment because it's not meant to support our future, just our retirees.
DDL on 25/1/2012 at 21:53
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http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/MichealJacksonPopcorn.gifI should point out that
A) deferring to someone who clearly knows more than you is generally better than saying "GO HIDE BEHIND UR FRIENDS LOSER: IMMA FORM MAH OWN OPINION": being ignorant and loud is not actually better than just being ignorant.
B) having a PhD doesn't actually mean shit in academic circles. It's like..having a valid drivers licence: it shows you have a level of competence but by no means does it mean you're the economics equivalent of Michael Schumacher.
C) While Dethtoll keeping THAT many records is quite worrying, in this instance it's also
hilarious. I mean, it has to pay off ONCE in a while, right?:thumb:
scarykitties on 25/1/2012 at 22:01
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A) deferring to someone who clearly knows more than you is generally better than saying "GO HIDE BEHIND UR FRIENDS LOSER: IMMA FORM MAH OWN OPINION": being ignorant and loud is not actually better than just being ignorant.
Oh, I'm starting with what I understand from what more knowledgeable people than myself know, too. The difference here is that I'm trying to have a discussion to better my understanding, while dethy just wants to mock me. He really doesn't give a shit what's correct; he just really, really wants me to be wrong.
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B) having a PhD doesn't actually mean shit in academic circles. It's like..having a valid drivers licence: it shows you have a level of competence but by no means does it mean you're the economics equivalent of Michael Schumacher.
Fair enough. But it's my explanation of why I trust his opinion.
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C) While Dethtoll keeping THAT many records is quite worrying, in this instance it's also
hilarious. I mean, it has to pay off ONCE in a while, right?:thumb:
If you say so.
june gloom on 25/1/2012 at 22:01
Quote Posted by scarykitties
I think you're a tad obsessed, dethy. Why don't you get a life, hm?
"LOL GET A LIFE HA HA HA I AM A SMUG MOTHERFUCKER"
i
have a life, this is my
hobbyIt's not obsession. It's called having a good memory, especially when I'm remembering something funny, like you flailing about screaming UR SO MEEN like you always do.
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I think I recommended DrowTales then because that's when I first found it and it was neat at first. Then I got very sick of how anime-ish it was.
Yeah I don't care.
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The point of discussion is to learn more, otherwise why the fuck are any of us on this message board to begin with? RBJ may well be absolutely correct and myself absolutely wrong, but so far it looks to me like we just have differing points of opinion on a hotly-debated topic and it's really either way.
Except you're basing your opinions on what your economics professor told you, and it's a load of shit.
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I find it funny that you don't know enough to actually respond intelligently, deth, so you hide behind someone smarter than you and stick your tongue out, going, "nah, nah" and accepting whatever is said as your position outright because you can't think up a position on your own. I may be wrong, but I'm at least using my brain and what I know to try to come to a reasonable conclusion, here.
Haha, compared to you: "I don't know enough to say anything but I'm going to anyway. LOL U TROLLAN"
I defer to RBJ because he actually works in the field that we're discussing. Maybe he's smarter than me, maybe he isn't, but he certainly knows more about this particular subject than I -- or you. And I don't agree with him on everything anyway.
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Funny, can you explain to me WHY my professor doesn't know what he's talking about? What, you don't actually know and you're just parroting what RBJ says? Yeah, I thought so.
Except your professor is effectively blaming everything on corruption (and remember, I'm going off by what YOU have told us your professor has said, so if the assessment is incorrect, it's your fault) when it's more complicated than that.
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Why SHOULD I bother to be more tolerant when I'm being attacked by you? I didn't even remember who you were until you reminded me, and I only knew because you insisted on attacks. Hell, that's where my initial report of you came from, anyway. So I don't see why you're asking for tolerance of your trollish nature when you give no reason to tolerate it.
Haha, I'm not asking for tolerance (and for the record you've been a pretty good cheerleader for intolerance yourself!) I'm asking for you to quit flailing your arms around and acting like you're superior because someone told you you're spouting nonsense. You're ignorant. You have a history of ignorance. You have demonstrably shown a lack of knowledge on every subject you've ever talked about. You're like CCCToad with less demonstrated self-hatred/homophobia (with him they're the same thing.) Your whole reaction to people telling you you're wrong is to thrust out your hips and go BAWWW BUT IT'S JUST MY OPINION, WHY YOU GOTTA BE SO MEEEEEEN. Grow a thicker skin and maybe a pair of balls, because otherwise the real world is going to eat you alive if you break down at the first sign of pointing and laughing. And you don't have a lot of capital here; attacking knowledgeable longtimers like RBJ -- however acerbic they may be -- is just asking for trouble.
Also, you're not winning any points with the "dethtroll" thing. Not only is it not clever, it's been done before. So don't go thinking you're oh so witty. Don't go throwing "troll" around like it means anything, because unless we're talking about Koki it fucking doesn't. Just because someone thinks you're stupid doesn't make them a troll. It makes them someone who thinks you're stupid.
Can't handle that?
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Except you're basing your opinions on what your economics professor told you, and it's a load of shit. RBJ bases his opinions on actually
You're clearly not paying attention. I'm not just saying, "hey, I disagree because my professor said so." I'm going into in-depth explanations of why I disagree and I'm offering links to corroborate my points. Also, while I don't doubt that RBJ is highly educated in this, it's funny how you're assuming that he knows it all. Do
you actually understand it well enough to confirm that what he's saying is true? Because I highly doubt that you do.
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Haha, compared to you: "I don't know enough to say anything but I'm going to anyway. LOL U TROLLAN"
See above point. Overall, I think you're the most ignorant person in this discussion, dethtoll. I'm at least making an effort to understand RBJ's stance and express my differing opinion and find where the true divergence is. You're just a cat-calling crackerjack-cruncher.
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I defer to RBJ because he actually works in the field that we're discussing. Maybe he's smarter than me, maybe he isn't, but he certainly knows more about this particular subject than I -- or you. And I don't agree with him on everything anyway.
Fair enough, then. That's reasonable, and I agree.
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Except your professor is effectively blaming everything on corruption (and remember, I'm going off by what YOU have told us your professor has said, so if the assessment is incorrect, it's your fault) when it's more complicated than that.
I certainly didn't go into detail about what he said, mostly because I don't remember the details. But you're right; I probably did very poorly state his position.
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Haha, I'm not asking for tolerance (and for the record you've been a pretty good cheerleader for intolerance yourself!) I'm asking for you to quit flailing your arms around and acting like you're superior because someone told you you're spouting nonsense.
I've never begrudged RBJ for being more knowledgeable than I. I'm annoyed by his lack of tact when he could just state the facts straight out and that would be sufficient. The mockery isn't necessary.
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You're ignorant.
I never claimed to know it all. I'm trying to understand, which is why I'm having this discussion.
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You have a history of ignorance.
What the fuck does that mean? Everyone has a history of ignorance, stupid. Ignorance is a lack of understanding. I'm trying to understand.
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You have demonstrably shown a lack of knowledge on every subject you've ever talked about.
Oh, have you been following me, listening to every subject I've ever talked about? I'm pretty sure you don't know shit about most things I've talked about and are not even aware WHAT I have talked about in the past.
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Also, you're not winning any points with the "dethtroll" thing. Not only is it not clever, it's been done before. So don't go thinking you're oh so witty. Don't go throwing "troll" around like it means anything, because unless we're talking about Koki it fucking doesn't. Just because someone thinks you're stupid doesn't make them a troll. It makes them someone who thinks you're stupid.
I didn't realize that there was a point system being employed, here.
And you're right. Just because someone thinks someone else is stupid doesn't make them a troll. But following someone around just to whine at them
does, and that's pretty much what you do.
Ryan Smith on 25/1/2012 at 23:16
My vote would go to Ron Paul, if it doesn't get re-assigned to another candidate by the "Vote Police."
I will save myself the chore of explaining why I like him and ask you to go look him up on youtube.
june gloom on 25/1/2012 at 23:38
Quote Posted by scaredofpussy
cat-calling crackerjack-cruncher
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Oh, have you been following me, listening to every subject I've ever talked about? I'm pretty sure you don't know shit about most things I've talked about and are not even aware WHAT I have talked about in the past.
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And you're right. Just because someone thinks someone else is stupid doesn't make them a troll. But following someone around just to whine at them
does, and that's pretty much what you do.
Haha, following you around? You're posting in threads on CommChat. I'm posting in threads on CommChat. I'm hardly INTERNET CYBERSTALKING you.
Want me to stop poking at you? Stop saying stupid shit.
Case in point:
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My vote would go to Ron Paul, if it doesn't get re-assigned to another candidate by the "Vote Police."
I will save myself the chore of explaining why I like him and ask you to go look him up on youtube.
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I didn't realize that there was a point system being employed, here.
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scarykitties on 26/1/2012 at 00:05
Quote Posted by dethtroll
Haha, following you around? You're posting in threads on CommChat. I'm posting in threads on CommChat. I'm hardly INTERNET CYBERSTALKING you.
And yet, you're the one claiming to apparently have read everything I've said in order to make that blanket judgement.
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You have demonstrably shown a lack of knowledge on
every subject you've ever talked about.
Remember that statement, dumbshit?
For someone who calls others stupid so often, you do not at all strike me as a very intelligent person, deth. Christ, why are you such an annoying fuck?
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Want me to stop poking at you? Stop saying stupid shit.
Yeah, when you begin to offer intelligent contributions to conversations, come back and whine some when you're at least not being a colossal hypocrite.
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I didn't realize that there was a point system being employed, here.
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noun1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.
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