jtr7 on 12/12/2007 at 23:12
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http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4957/tgmanualp11819th3.pngIs it safe to assume you didn't mean to say "grappling hook"? No hooks, just prongs. The rope comes down after the impact, but not originating from the point of impact. In the game, the rope comes from the end of the shaft (which comes in handy, actually), and is not attached to the head. The in-game model is just a broadhead arrow and the head doesn't resemble the manual illustration.
The noisemaker arrow mostly doesn't resemble the illustration.
The moss arrow somewhat resembles the manual illustration.
The gas arrow fairly resembles the manual illustration.
The water arrow fairly resembles the manual illustration.
The fire arrow looks similar in shape to the manual illustration, but it looks like a hot ember in-game and the corona isn't so visible.
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In the TMA Intro, after Thief Gold's manual illustrations were made, and this is Daniel Thron's work (and whoever may have assisted him):
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http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3917/introropearrowii7.pngFrom top to bottom, left to right:
No rope attached pre-flight. No pronged head.
Impact. Rope deployed, flipping upward.
Momentum of deployment carries rope upward. And upward...soon off-"camera". The standard rope arrow sound effect works well with it.
Last pic: Nearly two seconds later, the rope falls back into view.
This is similar to the (
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100387) TDS rope arrow animation, but slower. It does take a couple of seconds for the rope to extend to its full length, in-game.
By suggestion, here are the Dark Mod arrows. While way cool, they are purposely NOT copying Thief canon, but are wonderfully inspired by it:
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http://www.mindplaces.com/darkmod/arrows.jpgBeleg Cúthalion on 13/12/2007 at 09:00
I had also seen this 4-pronged arrow before (and thought about how it could work), but the energy would be split up and the prongs would not go deep into the wood. Same goes for that TMA arrow head which would simply be too broad*. That is why I concluded that the best solution would be a thin arrow head with barbs. And luckily I found such a thing in Prague, just 100 Czech crowns, that's app. 3 Euro or about 4-5 US$. Only the loop is missing. Yet.
* ...and also that you cannot really see where the rope comes from indicates some artistical inaccuracy
Molock on 13/12/2007 at 09:58
Quote Posted by Beleg Cúthalion
And luckily I found such a thing in Prague, just 100 Czech crowns, that's app. 3 Euro or about 4-5 US$. Only the loop is missing. Yet.
Is this arrow really meant to be shot? Is it just decoration or does it really have all the features to shoot it from a bow? What kind of wood is the shaft? Does it have working plums at the end of the shaft?
I want to see pics!:p
BTW, I really like the arrow-model of the Dark mod, although it would never work.
Beleg Cúthalion on 13/12/2007 at 10:06
It's just the arrow head and I believe they did it with a fantasy image in mind, but a really big one (1,5cm diameter, that's way beyond 23/64). I'm not sure if I should take such a big shaft or just make one end a little thicker...or even try to shrink the tulles.
The picture is on page one here. And be sure, if it happens that I build a rope arrow, I'll give you a video. :p
Molock on 13/12/2007 at 10:15
Be careful with the shaft, big shafts tend to bend not so they either break injuring you or have accuracy next to nothing! :eek:
Shoot it at least with a #65 bow, otherwise - if the arrow works- the trajectory will be rainbow-like ann the penetration into wood poor.
Beleg Cúthalion on 13/12/2007 at 12:35
I have a 60# Samick horse bow (the one with carbon and...hm...rose wood?), quite nice for any Garrett purpose, but that arrow head is too big anyway. We'll see what I can stuff into it.
Molock on 13/12/2007 at 18:36
The black ''sheet'' in bows is mostly fiberglass, sometimes carbon too but I never heard that rosewood would be any good for building bows, though I could be very wrong. :p
A #60 should get the arrowhead starting, maybe even accurate too @ 25 yards or so. A longbow would be better since it has a better ability to throw very heavy arrows with its long throwing-arms (sp?).
However, this is going to be very interesting, please post further informations if possible! :thumb:
For an arrow-shaft with a very thick diameter, maybe you could use aluminium? Aluminium guarantees that the shaft will not break and injure you, and the shaft survives the impact better. I would use a very lightweight an thin aluminium pipe. What diameter uses the arrow-head?
But whatever you are going to do, be careful! With such a heavyweight arrowhead and a strong bow the shaft may crack because it bends too hard, aluminium would be so much better. If you use a wooden shaft wear at least your arm protection! Maybe you should start with a 3/4 drawn bow just to see how it works or if you reached the limits of the arrow.
Molock on 13/12/2007 at 21:27
Wow, thanks for the link, Beleg. I was looking for a decent german/austrian bow-shop since several weeks! Problem solved!
Indeed its rosewood, but as far as I know thats something very special, I've seen hundreds of bows but thats the first one made of that kind of wood. beautiful bow!;)
Yes, using aluminium-made arrows is kind of a sin (only use wooden ones too, with bradheads weighing 200-grain), but shooting an arrow that heavy -at least for testing- safety would require a stronger material than wood. Its not aesthetics, I just wouldnt want to get splinters into my arteries powered with 60 pounds and some 60 metres per second of speed shredding down my forearm. :eww:
Meisterdieb on 15/12/2007 at 16:53
I never really thought about the rope arrow; it jus was a part of Thief. Just like the water arrow or how you can hide in the little shadow of the doorstep even if behind you all is light and the guard staring at you cannot see you.
The arrow crystals just work as they do in the Thief universe and Garrett just is that good at using shadows.
That aside, the rope arrow probably is the arrow hardest to explain.
For that reason I always preferred the vine arrow that was introduced in TMA.
The vine arrow fits a lot better into the the other "magic" arrows.
If I could change something about the games, I would have vine arrows replace rope arrows in all the games.
