heywood on 25/3/2024 at 15:14
Quote Posted by lowenz
No, but if you want to avoid grey areas and be "respectable" (to China and other global players) you need a law.
Like the U.S. :p
I wouldn't project western values on China's leadership. I don't think China cares whether Russia is respectable or not. Russian expansionism is a useful tool for China, as long as it doesn't extend to Asia, because it diverts our resources to the defense of Europe while China builds up for its own expansionist push in Asia. I doubt Russia's other allies care either.
nemyax on 25/3/2024 at 15:19
Azaran
The regime is scared shitless of the population's vulgar racism getting out of control. That's why they are doing their damnedest to sweep the Islamist nature of the attack under the rug. In their desperation, they are trying to pin this on Ukraine like the irredeemable shiteaters they are. I hope they realise how their audience feels about those who cover up for ISIS.
Cipheron on 26/3/2024 at 05:18
Rather than something more believable with plausible denial, they went whole hog and said the terrorists were based in Ukraine and were trying to go back to Ukraine - through an active war front with hundreds of thousands of Russian troops, like that makes any sense.
The Russians lack the competence to make up believable fabrication. As Chomsky said, dictators have never needed *clever* propaganda. With a gun pointed to everyone's head, you believe what we tell you - or else.
The clever propaganda is in liberal democracies, because you actually have to convince people of stuff, and even better - make it think it was their own opinion. For example, that's why oil companies pay other people / front groups so much money to say stuff, because they know an oil company press release won't be believed.
Qooper on 26/3/2024 at 11:36
Quote Posted by heywood
Trying to blame Ukraine for this is farcical, but the commentators who suggest this was an FSB false flag operation disgust me.
Using tragic deaths of civilians for political gains is deplorable, but that's not what Jake Broe is doing. It definitely raises questions when it took the police over an hour to react to the terrorist attack, and Moscow is chock full of police and surveillance. Combined with the fact that the fire suppression systems didn't react, it is very probable that at least something weird was going on. It's highly likely that putin had something to do with this, which would mean he let russian civilians be brutally butchered to further his own goals. If that's true, then that is what should disgust you, don't you think? Unless I misunderstood what you meant.
lowenz on 26/3/2024 at 12:13
The problem is in fact that FSB doesn't have to prepare the thing but - prepared by other players - just let it unroll.
lowenz on 26/3/2024 at 17:11
Patrushev: they were going to Ukraine!
Lukashenko: they were going to.....ME, oooops
Dissonance in the system.....
Qooper on 27/3/2024 at 09:05
Quote Posted by lowenz
The problem is in fact that FSB doesn't have to prepare the thing but - prepared by other players - just let it unroll.
Exactly. It was ISIS that did the attack, but putin knew about it. USA even tried to warn putin that islamic terrorists are planning an attack, which putin waved away as an intimidation attempt.
There was a police station right next door to the concert hall. It took them more than an hour to respond. If this isn't strange, I don't know what is.
DuatDweller on 27/3/2024 at 18:57
Just remember, that even in normal governments manipulation of the masses is the keyword.
Analyze, before believing everything you're told from politicians (doesn't matter which political view or party)
An advise from our off planet friends (oh there are bad guys too but those are under control now).
The idea is to keep people fighting each other (pesky politicians), instead of doing great things together in peace.
And if you think Russia is doing this without US approval, think again they're all mounting the rivals scenario (like in the cold war) when they ALL (yeah all sides big, and small) are doing this according to the master plan.
There is no doubt Russia mounted this attack at home for their own gain/support.
Qooper on 27/3/2024 at 21:09
Quote Posted by DuatDweller
Analyze, before believing everything you're told from politicians (doesn't matter which political view or party)
I don't mean to sound cynical, but in general politicians don't say the things they say out of the goodness of their heart. The motive behind their output is to do politics within their party guidelines (I'm phrasing it nicely, but everyone knows what I mean by this).
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The idea is to keep people fighting each other (pesky politicians), instead of doing great things together in peace.
We fight each other, and we do it all on our own. Aliens aren't our problem, or the illuminati, etc. Conspiracies like these are ways for us to blame something other than ourselves for our problems, and avoid taking responsibility for our own lives.
lowenz on 28/3/2024 at 12:40
Quote Posted by Qooper
We fight each other, and we do it all on our own. Aliens aren't our problem, or the illuminati, etc. Conspiracies like these are ways for us to blame something other than ourselves for our problems, and avoid taking responsibility for our own lives.
+1