Pyrian on 18/9/2022 at 07:40
Quote Posted by Nicker
Putin is now complaining that Ukraine refuses to negotiate an end to hostilities and is fixated on a military solution.
Is Putin offering to leave the invaded territories and stop murdering their inhabitants and burying them in unmarked mass graves? Is Putin still demanding that Ukraine disarm and not participate in mutual defense treaties? Putin can end the war any moment he wants to. Ukraine can only end the slaughter of their civilians by kicking Russia out, one way or another.
Cipheron on 18/9/2022 at 08:09
Quote Posted by Pyrian
Is Putin offering to leave the invaded territories and stop murdering their inhabitants and burying them in unmarked mass graves? Is Putin still demanding that Ukraine disarm and not participate in mutual defense treaties? Putin can end the war any moment he wants to. Ukraine can only end the slaughter of their civilians by kicking Russia out, one way or another.
It's like a gang of rapists has burst into your house, tried to knock you out, then has cornered your wife and daughters. Then when you try and fight back they go "why are you fighting? We can negotiate here!" Like, negotiate on what?
EDIT popping this here:
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https://english.nv.ua/nation/russian-invaders-forbidden-to-retreat-under-threat-of-being-shot-intercept-shows-50270988.html)
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In order to stop their forces' retreating, Russian commanders were forced to once again remind their subordinates about the prohibition against voluntary withdrawals from positions, as well as about the possibility that rear blocking units might open fire on them, the intelligence said.
“At the same time, they (commanders) refer to commander's order No. 222,” reads the report.
“Apparently, it is analogous with (Soviet dictator Josef) Stalin's infamous order No. 227 of June 28, 1942, according to which Soviet soldiers were shot at ... (if they tried) to retreat.”
nemyax on 20/9/2022 at 08:22
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rear blocking units might open fire on them
Return to the combat area! 10... 9... 8...
lowenz on 20/9/2022 at 21:45
General mobilization awaits our russian members......what a life to have the ONLY ONE life destroyed by an old KGB paper-pusher hating everything good leaders have done in URSS times. In the name of Mother Russia, the pagan goddess survived to Christianity (of Saint George).
And of course the nuclear danger if the Donbas(s) referendums pass.
Oh, wait, where's the "Donbass people autodetermination" gone? Referendumsto be ANNEXED to Russian Federation, not the be "a people". It's really SO '800.....with nukes.
demagogue on 20/9/2022 at 23:54
Timothy Snyder is a well known historian of Ukraine and is giving a course on "The Making of Modern Ukraine" at Yale that's being (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJczLlwp-d8) uploaded to YouTube.
I think it's going to be a good course to understand the background for this war, why Russia thinks the Ukraine isn't a real country, there's only the Rus people, and why Ukrainians want the Rascist Muscovites to get off their back.
Starker on 21/9/2022 at 02:52
There's also this short one-off lecture that touches a lot of the same themes:
[video=youtube;BCART2T7Ei4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCART2T7Ei4[/video]
lowenz on 21/9/2022 at 06:23
Quote Posted by demagogue
Timothy Snyder is a well known historian of Ukraine and is giving a course on "The Making of Modern Ukraine" at Yale that's being (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJczLlwp-d8) uploaded to YouTube.
I think it's going to be a good course to understand the background for this war, why Russia thinks the Ukraine isn't a real country, there's only the Rus people, and why Ukrainians want the Rascist Muscovites to get off their back.
From the "myth" point of view original "rus" were vikings - (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangians) - called by slavs to handle the tribes everlasting conflicts.....just ironic how things repeat :p
There's no "real national country" - nowhere on the globe - today and it's obvious why. So really russians (and some ukrainians) live in the '800 when "nation" was a notion (ab)used to fight imperial power (for ukrainians empire=late URSS/Russian Federation)
lowenz on 21/9/2022 at 06:27
Welcome nuclear war.
LONDON, Sept 21 (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday ordered Russia's first mobilisation since World War Two, warning the West that if it continued what he called its "nuclear blackmail" that Moscow would respond with the might of all its vast arsenal.
"If the territorial integrity of our country is threatened, we use all available means to protect our people - this is not a bluff," Putin said in a televised address to the nation.Cipheron on 21/9/2022 at 06:41
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The president added that militants in the Luhansk and Donbass Peoples Republics will be considered as soldiers of the Russian Federation going forward.
That's possibly in response to this great PR trick:
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https://www.ibtimes.com/russian-military-hospitals-refuse-treat-volunteer-fighters-injured-ukraine-report-3614208)
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"One of the battalions of the so-called 'Union of Donbas Volunteers' suffered heavy losses in firefights near Avdiivka. As the wounded servicemen were brought to a hospital in Russia's Rostov-on-Don, its staff refused to provide medical aid to them citing the fact that the unit is not formally part of Russia's regular army," the intelligence report read. "In all such cases where the wounded are refused hospital treatment, medics cite direct instructions by their command."
What I'm thinking here is that they were given "don't treat Ukrainians" as an instruction, but they took this literally and wouldn't even treat Ukrainian volunteer units who are on their side.
It's the same Russian inflexibility we've seen, where orders only pass one-way down the ranks and it's drilled into people to never ask questions, because your superior also never asked questions, so if you ask questions, he can't answer them, so instead, he's just going to punish you for showing him up.
So just like Russian generals having to be at the front to get people to remove a fallen tree because they were ordered to stick to the road and not leave their vehicles, they needed an actual proclamation from the president to make it clear that they're still supposed to treat actual soldiers who work for them, even if they're Ukrainians.
