Cipheron on 29/9/2022 at 12:19
Quote Posted by RippedPhreak
On the other hand, both Biden and Victoria Nuland stated months ago that if Russia invaded Ukraine, NordStream 2 pipeline was going to be toast.
That was a future project, not the existing pipeline. Saying that future construction projects would end up being canceled if Russia invaded isn't anything like saying they're going to blow up the existing infrastructure.
Also, why would Biden do that right before the midterms? This is only going to jack up prices on natural gas, so it is going to increase inflation on energy prices. It's definitely NOT something the Democrats would want to do 2 months before the mid-term elections.
lowenz on 29/9/2022 at 14:52
Another leak
[video=youtube;E-cg3r6jgz4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-cg3r6jgz4&ab_channel=BBCNews[/video]
Maybe it's a patriotic pipeline and it just wants to be mobilized.....
Silentor on 29/9/2022 at 15:18
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An "incident" like that can make the gas price skyrocket and so reconsider the position of Germany (and Italy).
Good position oriented toward USA.
Сurrent damage, future repairs.
Compensate by what... ukrainian line? With what tariff ...x2 ...x3
Arbitrage (opinion from video above) in current reality?
I think, these are Polish saboteurs under American instuctors.
But you are will not accept this opinion because you are getting information about CIA only from one place in LA City.
lowenz on 29/9/2022 at 16:22
I'm really NO "US savior of the world" guy. Of course US is an economic empire using "civil rights" as a crowbar.....but I can't stand russian imperialistic ideology adopted from Dugin identitary fascism. Because that's what it is, FASCISM.
Ukraine-wise, I'm a Makhnovist.
heywood on 29/9/2022 at 16:24
It's certainly possible. But what's the motive? The USG wanted Germany to give up on Nordstream 2. That happened at the beginning of the invasion. The USG wanted NATO countries off of Russian gas. That's happening faster than most thought possible. Nordstream 1 was down to 20% before Gazprom shut it down, and it's been shut off for about a month now, with no plan to bring it back online. So what's the payoff for the USG? There's nothing gained in the near term from attacking a pipeline that's not in use. But there's a lot to lose if it can be pinned on the USG.
Silentor on 29/9/2022 at 19:38
Quote Posted by Starker
Within the Russian world, dialogue unfortunately has a very different meaning -- it's critics of the regime being jailed and murdered, it's people being assaulted on the street for not speaking Russian, it's protestors being beaten in a police station while being told they have no rights and there are no laws, it's Russia's neighbours having their cities bombed to rubble and their civilians executed in areas under Russian control. Tell me, what dialogue would we want to have with a state like this, a state that is brutal, cruel and uncompromisingly so?
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being assaulted on the street for not speaking Russian
drunken
bydlo, yes it's info-occasion
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civilians executed in areas under Russian control.
Civilians executed in areas under Ukrainian control, can we talk.
One microdistrict in Mariupol has been restored. Already better than one traffic light.
Inline Image:
https://yapx.ru/v/UFr8GAnd my native Azov sea (I'm from Rostov) is clean now from "Azov" nazi.
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why you accept
barons? People are just a tool for
barons.
How do you imagine the overthrow plan especially if the niche is occupied by protesters nurtured by the State Department, Soros ...and substitute further.
I can also ask, why you don't overthrow your sectarian elites, who continued to live all these decades with mentality of the Cold War?
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what dialogue would we want to have with a state like this, a state that is brutal, cruel and uncompromisingly so?
Ok, nothing dialogue. You are Angels with indulgence.
lowenz on 29/9/2022 at 20:46
Quote Posted by Silentor
How do you imagine the overthrow plan especially if the
niche is occupied by protesters nurtured by the State Department, Soros ...and substitute further.
This is an intelligent question and a (VERY) good argument and that's the way to question Navalny.....not poison him with Novichok.
About "Soros" (and his "Open Society" foundation).....in the
real world he counts ZERO. He counts only in antiUS and freemasonry-centered fantasies.
Here in Italy/Western Europe you can find these kind of fantasies tipically in ultra-nationalists and fascists minds, eroding them with mythological proportion conspiracies about gay lobbies and so on.....(we got our own "nazbol" AND hardcore traditionalists overlapping the proper fascist movements for the 99%)
But for you - the russians - your
barons name Soros because they know him really well since the Cold War, being active in fighting communism back in the '80s (when he was an Orban friend and not an enemy like today, being Orban ~ Rigozin/Zirinovskij)
Just try to realize that your mindset is dangerously next to the western fascists when it comes to fight "liberalism".....
In fact it's a situation really similiar to the "fascism" meaning problem. You call fascism the russophobia-driven nationalism (->Bandera), we call fascism any identitarian nationalism opposed to progressive and liberal views and with spiritual/idealistic components (not strictly from religion but there's a reinforcing closed loop)
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I can also ask, why you don't overthrow your sectarian elites, who continued to live all these decades with mentality of the Cold War?
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mentality of the Cold War" is just a stance for the "attrition times" (the today war situation), they only care personal profit - like Medvedchuk or Kolomoisky - sponsoring a very individualistic paradigma of society in constrast to russian elites (but it's convenient for us to avoid things exactly like mobilization in the name of the "nation" or the "motherland").
Silentor on 29/9/2022 at 21:50
Quote Posted by heywood
It's certainly possible. But what's the motive? The USG wanted Germany to give up on Nordstream 2. That happened at the beginning of the invasion. The USG wanted NATO countries off of Russian gas. That's happening faster than most thought possible. Nordstream 1 was down to 20% before Gazprom shut it down, and it's been shut off for about a month now, with no plan to bring it back online. So what's the payoff for the USG? There's nothing gained in the near term from attacking a pipeline that's not in use. But there's a lot to lose if it can be pinned on the USG.
Good conclusions. Will try to parry:
1. Not by USG (so that Biden directly gave a pep talk:
Let's go). Local initiative.
2. Two explosions on each pipe. Why did we have to increase the degree of damage?
3. On the eve of the Polish line opening. My new thought contradicts the previous statement but maybe the Poles also decided to substitute.
4. Maybe the British from whom Poles will pull part of the gas from the Norwegian pipe. And in the hope that our Russian saboteurs will take revenge to Polish line.
demagogue on 29/9/2022 at 23:34
Quote Posted by Silentor
But you are will not accept this opinion because you are getting information about CIA only from one place in LA City.
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And my native Azov sea (I'm from Rostov) is clean now from "Azov" nazi.
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How do you imagine the overthrow plan especially if the niche is occupied by protesters nurtured by the State Department, Soros ...and substitute further.
Ah yes, nothing says we're fighting nazis better than attacking Jew Soros & Hollywood-Jew-manipulated American stooges paying crisis actors in Russia as part of their Elder's of Zion worldwide cabal, where no population has free will to dissent, they can only be Jew paid stooges. (9_9) Could you be any more of a caricature?
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Edit: Don't try your whataboutist voodoo on me either. I was just making the point somewhere else that the first question Russian soldiers have when they "liberate" east Ukraine villages is "Where are the nazis?", and then they get looks of disbelief, just like US soldiers would ask Afghanistan villages "Where are the terrorists?" during the Afghanistan war and get the same looks of disbelief.
Of course for as much as Putin & the Russian establishment still hate or distrust the US & its intentions, they still really love the US war on terror, which was one of the US's lowest points this century after T***p. We can call that a whatabout boomerang!
Starker on 30/9/2022 at 00:51
Quote Posted by Silentor
Ok, nothing dialogue. You are Angels with indulgence.
No we are no angels, but the bulk of our experience with Russia in the past centuries is Russia invading us, trying to suppress our culture, killing our judges, police, and intelligentsia. Why would we want to dialogue with a brutal empire like that when it's still clearly on the path of doing it. This is the experience of many of Russia's neighbours.
And Russian atrocities in Ukraine are undeniable. There's not just witness testimony, not just mass graves, not just corpses of civilians left on streets with hands tied behind their backs, there's actual CCTV footage of Russian soldiers committing these crimes.
