demagogue on 1/10/2022 at 00:35
Quote Posted by RippedPhreak
Who is "we?"
We is us and not you. This forum is mostly Europeans, for example, so when you say fuck Europe why do we care, you're speaking for yourself and declaring yourself "not one of us".
It seems like you like to play Thief FMs, in which case it looks like you want to be one of us at least on those grounds. But you know most people that make FMs are Europeans too. Some are even Middle Eastern Muslims!! So you're telling them you don't give a fuck about them either.
You're going to have to do some soul searching about if you really belong on an international forum like ours if you don't share the values of decent humanity and respect for an international community like "ours".
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Edit: Right, to summarize:
Quote Posted by RippedPhreak
peoples that do not care about western liberalism and do not want it.
Protip: Western liberalism is the globalist agenda. So you can drop this facade. Your position is explicitly non-Western and illiberal.
Tocky on 1/10/2022 at 00:56
Quote Posted by heywood
Standards of conversation don't need to change just because a war is going on. The world didn't suddenly turn black and white on 24 Feb.
Assuming we were all so fragile one had to walk on eggshells around us, what was said that elicited such hand wringing? Did RippedPhreak call someone a name? Do you imagine we do not expect that from the far right already? What exactly elicited the calls for civility when a major country is killing it's neighbor, torturing and raping, leaving them hog tied and dead on the street, being an absolute dick and stealing territory, and expecting us to be civil while they do so, what was so non black and white about that? Where on the doll did we hurt you? The fact is nobody, even those I disagree with, has harmed anyone near as much as what Russia has done in a single hour of it's invasion and stealing. Not a fraction. I'm not offended a whit about words. Deeds. That is where I'm offended. I am deeply offended by Russia's expansion at the cost of everything dear in human nature for it's greed over territory.
Don't you see how everyones character or lack of it is being exposed? Let that happen. Let us see. Let it be exposed and understood for what it is.
RippedPhreak on 1/10/2022 at 03:52
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when you say fuck Europe why do we care, you're speaking for yourself and declaring yourself "not one of us".
I'm not some sick leftist, that is true. I can care about people from a perspective that we are all human beings; however that does not mean I want the US to leap into a war that has nothing to do with the US. Especially when our own country is falling apart right here at home. Just defend yourselves.
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Western liberalism is the globalist agenda. So you can drop this facade. Your position is explicitly non-Western and illiberal.
You're right, I care nothing for western liberalism. But I thought
YOU might... It's very simple. If you continue to bring in millions of migrants every year that are
non-western and
non-liberal, then you will have destroyed the western liberal order
yourself. Putin will not need to lift a finger.
Just as a thought experiment, are you really saying that a France (for example) that is 70% or more African/Muslim will still have the same liberal values as the current France? What might happen to the homosexuals in a France like that? What might the dress codes for women become? Take your time and think about it.
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Assuming we were all so fragile one had to walk on eggshells around us
yes...yes you are lol
Starker on 1/10/2022 at 05:19
Quote Posted by RippedPhreak
Just as a thought experiment, are you really saying that a France (for example) that is 70% or more African/Muslim will still have the same liberal values as the current France? What might happen to the homosexuals in a France like that? What might the dress codes for women become? Take your time and think about it.
Just to give a brief thought on what patent nonsense this is... in order for this to happen, the entire combined population of Maghreb countries (by far the biggest source of France's "African/Muslim" population, especially from the parts that were considered to be a part of France not all that long ago) would have to immigrate to France and all migration from EU countries (the biggest source of immigrants to France) would have to be stopped entirely.
Actually, scratch that... I just looked up the population numbers and it still wouldn't be nearly enough to meet these criteria. Not to mention the sizeable non-muslim/secular population in these countries.
lowenz on 1/10/2022 at 07:59
Quote Posted by demagogue
illiberal.
They created a special type of liberalism to attack the "western liberalism" naming it "NEOliberalism" when in fact classic liberalism, liberalism and neoliberalism are perfectly the same (and
Putin too is a liberal economy-wise - he's totally against communism or socialism - and that's what conspiracy people supporting Putin or Trump as "
liberators from the neoliberal joke" can't realize, thinking nationalistic isolationism can be a viable alternative.....
it can't but people like Trump or Putin really want them to believe the lie and it's why a "globalist agenda" is just necessary.....
if you call "sick" the real left and our Phreak just called it so)
If you REALLY don't accept "globalist agenda" (Russia AND China ones too) there's always the Revolution and it's October :p
lowenz on 1/10/2022 at 08:03
Quote Posted by RippedPhreak
Just as a thought experiment, are you really saying that a France (for example) that is 70% or more African/Muslim will still have the same liberal values as the current France? What might happen to the homosexuals in a France like that? What might the dress codes for women become? Take your time and think about it.
Just search for statistics about immigrants young couples and you'll see the truth: they ARE concretely liberals, you simply can't accept the truth cause "global desperation" and apocalypse have much more appeal (just reading your post makes it evident)
I really can't see here in Italy african couples with more than 4 sons. But some really traditional italian ones with 10 (in the same regions with mafia-like groups and this is NOT by chance :p )
Because - and for nationalists in particular, practically by definition of "nationalism" - it's all about the sons number for the next generation. There will be no immigration-induced apocalypse apart in the "alternative liberals" (then nationalist liberals) propaganda one that you can't see for what it is in reality.
Traditional muslim people just stay in their original home being traditionalist (it's a simple tautology apart from conspiracy theories interpretation of reality involving "SOROS", "KALERGI PLAN" and so on). It's possible that immigrants sons or grandsons can become radicalized BUT they're few and it's like a flash in the pan.
demagogue on 1/10/2022 at 13:55
Anyway this isn't a thread for debating the pros and cons of white supremacy, as if that were a topic of serious debate. It's a thread on the Ukraine war, and there were big developments today.
It started with Putin's stupid non-annexation of east Ukraine of course, leading to a Security Council vote condemning it that only had one opposing vote (Russia); even China abstained from voting against it. But it culminated in Zelensky's application for fast-tracked Nato membership. It seems somehow appropriate to post the video of it for the record here:
[video=youtube;V-VCCR7WJAU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-VCCR7WJAU[/video]
lowenz on 1/10/2022 at 15:42
Quote Posted by demagogue
as if that were a topic of serious debate.
It all depends on the NUMBER, like radicalized muslims. I just want add that white supremacy is present in both russian AND ucrainian nationalist movements (in Russia case: white=orthodox christian, in Ucraine case: white=european/germanic)
Of course they're just flashes, the reality is the fight between western liberalism and non-western one (Russia&China). But it must be clear that you can't fight fire with fire, it's just for the show: Gazprom is not communist; Sberbank is not communist :p There's not communism in Russia nor China, nor they're autarchic isolationists as some "bucolic nazi" (-> (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Strasser) ) or nazbol like Limonov in Russia would like in their dreams.
So it's always the "globalist agenda" declined in 2/3 flavours. The "big talks" are just for the plebs.
You can't win "globalization" (of the market AND the society) if you accept private property and so on :p
Hit Soros and other "satanic" boogeymen as you will, it doens't matter :D
denkmal on 1/10/2022 at 19:26
^ I didn't realize how short Zelensky actually was.
Silentor on 1/10/2022 at 20:20
If you are such supporters of Jewish supremacy, just read about those new heroes of Ukraine, that even ukrainian traditionalists of the early 20th century renounced (for example (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykola_Mikhnovsky) Mykola_Mikhnovsky).
If you so unconditionally support of modern Ukraine then it's and yours Truth now. With Starker's propaganda about many centuries of oppression dumping all the eggs in the basket, including real repressions (for example, ban Lithuanians from reading books in their own language at the end of the 19th century), wishlist of ultraradicals, execution of the interests of other parties (as (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstanty_Kalinowski) Kastuś Kalinowski (so irony, that this polish agent by belorussian revolutioners raised on own flag)).
Falseflag it's not about CIA. Ok. Then continue the Olympiad by throwing everything on Russian side. Only without me. I'm bad KGB-agent. It's hard for me to express my thoughts even on my native language.
25 civilians murdered in Zaparozhie (city) during the dispatch to the territories controlled by Russia.
