Acorn on 21/6/2009 at 10:02
A sequel if Garrett's in it. If you think Garrett has nothing left to do in a sequel then do a prequel so I can play Garrett.
Platinumoxicity on 21/6/2009 at 10:15
Quote Posted by Stath MIA
Again, I agree that it could be done and be truly awesome but EM wouldn't see it that way. Every Thief game has been "well made but a commercial failure", or at least that's how EM will probably view things, and therefore they will want some thing that is "innovative, revolutionary, and outside the box", this means that we will probably get something outside the existing timeline so that EM can have free reign over things and can skew the plot to fit better with the new gameplay which they will undoubtedly implement. The closest T4 could come to an alternate view of events would be as a remake set in the future like Ion Storm planned on doing, really bad idea if you ask me.
Thief games aren't a commercial failure, every other products that the companies had made were failures that put them in so much debt that they still went bankrupt after successful products. Thief 1 and Thief 2 were the best successes that LGS had, but failed older products made them go bankrupt anyway. Ion Storm's "Daikatana" was an infinity project that ultimately destroyed the company after TDS. If a successful company or a branch of a success company gets to make a Thief game, without any earlier failures or excessive debts, they don't have that pressure and they don't need any dirty tricks to lure more mainstream players to buy the product. A Thief game will never sell badly enough to put a company like Eidos Montreal instantly out of business.
Stath MIA on 21/6/2009 at 21:18
@Platinumoxicity- They may not have been outright failures but none of them managed to sell well, which is what I was trying to point out.
Namdrol on 22/6/2009 at 06:35
I've tried to find comparitive figures of sales but can't. Anyone know?
But on this point, we're on the fourth game of a "niche" series that's being developed as a show piece AAA game. So all bets are off till at least we see spoilers.
I'd rather have a sequel and then, maybe, that whore of the gaming industry, the expansion pack can flesh out the earlier years.
Gentleman on 23/6/2009 at 00:58
I can see why most people would prefer to be Garrett. No one would like to play as Artemus. No one would like to play as the keeper who found Garrett. No one would like to play as Larkspur or Dyan. Garrett is the master thief, the only one capable of pulling off everything he has so far. :erg:
Still, I can't picture myself playing as a young Garrett before meeting the Keepers. I also can't picture myself playing as Garrett after leaving the Keepers, but before stealing Lord Bafford's scepter. The questions left unanswered after the Thief games are not very important, except maybe those who create fan missions. (Yeah, right. ;)) Filling the gaps in between can be left up to them, or to those who write fan fiction.
I would prefer a sequel as well, playing a slightly older Garrett. But can it be done effectively? :confused:
SubJeff on 23/6/2009 at 07:14
Quote Posted by Stath MIA
@Platinumoxicity- They may not have been outright failures but none of them managed to sell well, which is what I was trying to point out.
I thought they did sell well. Why do people keep saying this? Where are the figures?
jtr7 on 23/6/2009 at 07:37
How about, where's the evidence they sold well in a commercial sense? As a non-gamer, I wouldn't know how often it happens that a well-selling game disappears off of shelves after the first shipment, or in less than a year, and needing to be tracked down for purchase. It sold well for what it was, and exceeded expectations, but not commercially. Many of the games that borrowed some stealth ideas from it sold better, and they are still talked about, still heard of, and there's a strong desire to make Thief 4 into a more commercially viable product. More action, more ways to injure, maim, kill, and be a noisome fighter thief, and far less fantasy, and far less anachronistic elements, more RPG, and a lot less goofiness...all hints that Thief's niche is frowned upon by more than those who like it for what it is.
pwyll on 25/6/2009 at 23:25
Sequel, of course. No time-machines, please.
New Horizon on 26/6/2009 at 00:16
Quote Posted by jtr7
It sold well for what it was, and exceeded expectations, but not commercially.
From what I read over the years, The Dark Project was a big hit. When you look at the time it was made and consider it probably didn't require a HUGE budget to make, the margins for success were likely much higher. It's not necessarily about how many units it originally moved, but how well it recouped the original investment.
jtr7 on 26/6/2009 at 01:14
That's why hardly anybody's even heard of it, let alone familiar with it.
