Serious Garrett storylines.

FriendlyStranger on 27/5/2009 at 14:33

Quote Posted by Tail

I'd assumed The Builder was commonly worshipped and that was generally the religion of the masses. Fanatics can co-exist with a more casual belief, afterall. It would have also helped the mechanists rise with the general belief in The Builder among the nobles.

Speculation, of course.

That's a similar POV to my perception of this - I regarded the Hammerite order as militant monks of some sort - comparable to the Inquisition.

How the appearance of the builder fits in is not a bigger problem than the question how did Trickster's appearance fit in - it's all a matter of storywriting, I don't see it as an unsolvable task to create a story around Garrett and The Builder.

Thief13x on 27/5/2009 at 15:58

What's really gonna suck is that if I don't play Deadly Shadows I'm going to be out of the loop on the storyline for Thief 4. Blah, I'll have to read a summary I guess.

The Magpie on 27/5/2009 at 18:05

First, a comment on the "sacred trilogy" thing. The infatuation of "modern western storytelling" with the number 3 as far as publishing is concerned, started AFAICT when Allen&Unwin decided that The Lord of the Rings would be published in three volumes, rather than one or six. But it nonetheless remains a very practical number for story pacing purposes.

So I'm convinced that Thief 1-3 did contain one single story overlaying the three separate Trickster/Builder/Keepers themes and the many mini-stories of the missions. That overall story concluded at the end of TDS. (And IMO it's a story about the world of Thief rather than of Garrett.)

Were Garrett to be used for additional stories, 5tephe is right - other factors would need to change. Relocating? Taking him out of the City - where? To the countryside? Changing the urban surroundings to wilderness would mean taking heavy risks wrt. gameplay. To another city? Are there even other cities? What do they call The City, then? What are the differences, if any, between them and the City? New factions? New gods?

Changing the time would mean that Garrett would either

* be a great (anti-)hero having lived through epic perils and world-saving events prior to either of the first three games which are never mentioned again.
* have achieved nothing of any consequence to anything, making for a story not worth telling by Eidos.
* enter a parallel universe.
* suddenly gain the motivation to stop minding his own business and happily go a-saving the world instead. Against a terrible, sudden new threat. Again. 'Cause no one else can.

In short, it'd be cheese. Rank cheese, at that. Worse than any of the lightweight "stories" of other sequels I can think of (save perhaps Doom 2). I can't imagine how such a story could ever become worthy of the Looking Glass legacy and the Thief brand.

What I could see, OTOH, is a Garrett cameo, or even a guest role supporting the protagonist. That would be believable to me.

I love Garrett's character. Of course I do. I'd dearly like to see more of him in new one-liner comments and new cutscenes. But I think any additional Garrett material would ideally be describing the Thief 2 Gold levels. Or even a TDS remake. Not more than that.

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R Soul on 27/5/2009 at 19:58

Some former Keepers could try to reclaim their glyph magic powers in a way that is a serious inconvenience for Garrett. Their motives could be jealousy, a genuine desire to maintain the balance, or a combination of the two. Some other plot elements would b needed though, because I can't imagine how that idea could make an entire game.

Platinumoxicity on 27/5/2009 at 20:54

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How could glyph magic become an inconvenience for Garrett? Garrett doesn't want to have anything to do with the glyphs as far as I know. And what could the keepers be jealous about? Garrett's a poor criminal.

irving_forbush on 28/5/2009 at 01:32

I certainly don't want to see this happen, but could they decide to re-release T1, just give it a few minor plot twists and change the levels enough to make gameplay "new" for everyone, and call it "a modern reinterpretation of a classic game"?

Hopefully, not.

I'd rather see a reboot of the series, start it the same as T1, and tell us more about Garrett's adventures before Constantine. It's better than using the master/pupil ending in T3 as their starting point.

Jah on 28/5/2009 at 11:15

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Maybe I have a biased opinion since I live in a country (Or a group of countries, Scandinavia) where 85% are atheists.

Where on earth did you get THAT number from? :weird:

Platinumoxicity on 28/5/2009 at 13:10

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Where on earth did you get THAT number from? :weird:

I dunno. I think I heard it somewhere. Pretty sure it was 85%. Also, I know quite a lot of people, and about a 1% or less of the people I know believe. That's pretty convincing. Only religious people I know are a priest and some crackpot Jehova's witness family or something.

jermi on 28/5/2009 at 18:23

Off topic.

I'm guessing the source for this one is (http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_atheist.html) Zuckerman. If you turn that number around, it says that 15% of the swedes believe in a real, omnipotent, supernatural God. That's a huge number.

Only a minority of scandinavians believe in the bible, but the majority believes that something supernatural exists.

Platinumoxicity on 28/5/2009 at 18:53

Quote Posted by jermi

Selvä.

What were we talking about again?