Serious Garrett storylines. - by 5tephe
Namdrol on 6/6/2009 at 09:48
I don't think it's bigotry.
It's just being a bit limited in view, as for me the builder was the Abrahamic god of all three religions of the book. (Judaism et al)
Personally if you were to limit it to one I think the closest analogue is to the god of the christians
To come back to the thread
The Keepers had solidified themselves and rather than being a point of balance between the opposing monotheisms
(make no mistake, the pagans are as twisted as the hammers) became just another player of the game.
Garret was the one true keeper, because he was not a "keeper".
It's like the koan, if you want to be enlightened you can't become enlightened.
He is an anarchist in it's true sense. Bound by neither Law or Chaos.
And this true neutrality means that he holds the balance for all the people in his world.
(Which is why I hated the fact that he could kill in TDS (I regard expert as the "cannon" version of events) It just doesn't fit the back story.)
I would like to see Garret lose his balance, his calm. Maybe through becoming obsessed with the sentients, this then having a knock on effect on events in the city...
How it would play out from here I'm not sure.
Could Garret become aware of his role and maintain it?
He's Keeper educated and very far from stupid (the opposite in fact) so even now he must have some awareness of what's been happening..
Platinumoxicity on 6/6/2009 at 11:00
Quote Posted by YuSeF
Nice one bigot.
Thank you ;). I couldn't care less what some polically correct brown-nosers or members of a religion think of my opinions. :laff: Bigot is good. If you'd have called me a racist, you'd just be a lying taffer.
I'm actually an omni-bigot. I despise everyone's religion, no matter how innocent it is.
YuSeF on 6/6/2009 at 18:19
Quote Posted by Platinumoxicity
Thank you ;). I couldn't care less what some polically correct brown-nosers or members of a religion think of my opinions. :laff: Bigot is good. If you'd have called me a racist, you'd just be a lying taffer.
I'm actually an omni-bigot. I despise everyone's religion, no matter how innocent it is.
Funny you call me a brown noser when you know nothing about me. If you despise all religions you could have easily pointed out in a general reference that those who believe in god have often smaller and more extreme sects within the religion. But to purposely attack Islam shows your deep unconcious hatred. that makes you a bigot. jeez, 1.5billion people and you act as if the whole "lot" of them are extremists. Thanks for playing into the hands of xenophobia.
hikikomori-san on 7/6/2009 at 00:32
Quote Posted by Platinumoxicity
Thank you ;). I couldn't care less what some polically correct brown-nosers or members of a religion think of my opinions. :laff: Bigot is good. If you'd have called me a racist, you'd just be a lying taffer.
I'm actually an omni-bigot. I despise everyone's religion, no matter how innocent it is.
Pollitically correct brown-nosers? Which makes you what, the unbiased free and enlightened soul? Nobody cares about your opinion indeed, but what you said was not an opinion. To say the existence of allah (which is simply the islamic name for the same god Christians and Jews and Muslims worship) "is widely believed false and ridiculous by the masses" is simply wrong information, not an opinion. Look up religion statistics and you will find that christians and muslims alone constitue more than 50% of the world's population, so, yeah, there is a world outside Scandinavia, wherever that is, and what's "common knowledge" there is not necessarily so elsewhere. Keep your despise to yourself and don't bring your "omni-bigotry" in here.
Chewbubba on 7/6/2009 at 01:01
What is known about the Precursors and that creepy statue in the Lost City with the wings and weirded-out head?
Something from that maybe?
Platinumoxicity on 7/6/2009 at 10:10
Quote Posted by Chewbubba
What is known about the Precursors and that creepy statue in the Lost City with the wings and weirded-out head?
Something from that maybe?
That's Cthulhu, or Ctulhu or Ctulu or Ktulu, impossible to pronounce with our limited means of communication. An interdimensional supreme being, a god of chaos and madness who sleeps inside the Earth.
By H.P Lovecraft.
The Cthulhu statue in Karath Din probably represents a different Cthulhu though.
Chewbubba on 7/6/2009 at 17:48
My only other thought was that the Thief storyline goes the way it did in the Jedi Knight video games:
In Dark Forces, Kyle Katarn is a mercenary that has a lot of guns and blows up bad guys.
In Jedi Knight, Kyle becomes a jedi with a lot of guns and blows up and chops up a lot of bad guys.
In Mysteries of the Sith, Kyle has an apprentice. You play as Kyle for about 4 missions, then he goes to investigate a sith temple, and doesn't come back. From that point on, you play as his female apprentice, and ultimately track down Kyle and find he's gone to the dark side. Of course, you bring him back - sorta.
Anyway, so IF the girl at the end of Deadly Shadows becomes his apprentice or whatever, then it could be possible that in Thief4 you play as Garrett for a few missions, and then something happens so he "goes to the dark side" - whatever that would be for Garrett. Senseless murder of City civilians or something? Then you play the rest of the game as his apprentice, acquiring the skills and weapons all over again, and eventually coming to a confrontation with "evil Garrett" and winning him over.
Or something.
Platinumoxicity on 7/6/2009 at 18:19
Quote Posted by Chewbubba
My only other thought was that the Thief storyline goes the way it did in the Jedi Knight video games:
In Dark Forces, Kyle Katarn is a mercenary that has a lot of guns and blows up bad guys.
In Jedi Knight, Kyle becomes a jedi with a lot of guns and blows up and chops up a lot of bad guys.
In Mysteries of the Sith, Kyle has an apprentice. You play as Kyle for about 4 missions, then he goes to investigate a sith temple, and doesn't come back. From that point on, you play as his female apprentice, and ultimately track down Kyle and find he's gone to the dark side. Of course, you bring him back - sorta.
Anyway, so IF the girl at the end of Deadly Shadows becomes his apprentice or whatever, then it could be possible that in Thief4 you play as Garrett for a few missions, and then something happens so he "goes to the dark side" - whatever that would be for Garrett. Senseless murder of City civilians or something? Then you play the rest of the game as his apprentice, acquiring the skills and weapons all over again, and eventually coming to a confrontation with "evil Garrett" and winning him over.
Or something.
Garrett is such a stubborn mind, that nothing short of mindcrafting could make him lose control of himself, causing him to go on a murderous rampage or try to destroy the world. He likes things simple, and despite the fact that he only cares for himself, it doesn't mean that he hates everyone else. Garrett is too strong-minded to lose it. I mean, he sneaks around hideous supernatural creatures that dwell in the darkness, without showing any form of fear.
belboz on 8/6/2009 at 04:36
so you think they'll make a story based on the ka'thuledral statues in the lost city. and someone else wants too bring back the fishmen from ds that were so obviously pinched from the sci-fi tv show 'stingray'.:weird:
Platinumoxicity on 8/6/2009 at 09:34
Quote Posted by hikikomori-san
Pollitically correct brown-nosers? Which makes you what, the unbiased free and enlightened soul? Nobody cares about your opinion indeed, but what you said was not an opinion. To say the existence of allah (which is simply the islamic name for the same god Christians and Jews and Muslims worship) "is widely believed false and ridiculous by the masses" is simply wrong information, not an opinion. Look up religion statistics and you will find that christians and muslims alone constitue more than 50% of the world's population, so, yeah, there is a world outside Scandinavia, wherever that is, and what's "common knowledge" there is not necessarily so elsewhere. Keep your despise to yourself and don't bring your "omni-bigotry" in here.
:p I didn't say "the majority of worlds population", I used the word "masses", which mean basically every person I know, and every intelligent person I've heard of. And that's not too many people as you see. :laff:
But yeah, the Hammerites are equivalent to inquisition-era christians or modern islam. They both use the exact words in their scripture to violently spread their religion, regardless the opinion of the people.
Plus, the Hammerites are also gynophobic, just like muslims. So that's another point for them. :p
