Sendai on 19/12/2005 at 13:59
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Personally, I believe Garrett is almost fearless. I think this is due to the fact that he believes he is always in control. He can do anything to anyone, or so he thinks.
I wouldn't necessarily say that. He's in control of himself and his destiny, but not necessarily of anyone else's. Garrett seems pretty resigned to the fact that people are people, no matter what kind of veil they put up. I mean, remember all the situations where you overheard people talking in missions, you listened to people talk about the daily grind, guards griping about extra security details, the rich whining about everything. His vocation definitely lets him stand back and see life as it really is, and he's seen/done enough that not much impresses him anymore.
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I was very creeped out that he actually sounded mildly scared going into The Cradle... especially the line about the house having "bad dreams". Brrrr... Even he was intimidated. The only time I think he was truly scared however was with Viktoria and the Trickster. This was because he was no longer in control, and this frightened him.
Yeah..he wasn't expecting Constantin to pull that one. Neither was I when I played that mission. Actually, when Viktoria first appeared I thought "Oh boy, I get a big breasted D&D rogue type thief. Whoop-de-doo." I was thoroughly surprised at the outcome!
I loved when he was breaking into Cragscleft and almost whines about having to go through the the abandoned mines. He remarks about holy water like it's only superstitious people believe in it. Then in TMA when Garrett has to break into the Mechanist cathedral and listen to Karras talk to Gorman Truart, the briefing he mentions different ways into the cathedral, the catocombs he outrights says "I'd rather not tread where the dead sleep." I kind of took that as slightly heightened distaste of the dead from the first game!
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After he was double crossed, he would have been angry for his injuries, and the risk he went through to actually get the eye.
An eye for an eye. In this case literally. :eww:
Dia on 19/12/2005 at 14:36
Quote Posted by Sendai
.....Garrett seems pretty resigned to the fact that people are people, no matter what kind of veil they put up. ............. His vocation definitely lets him stand back and see life as it really is, and he's seen/done enough that not much impresses him anymore.
I agree, Sendai. I think Garrett is pretty realistic about his life and VERY cynical about life in general. That doesn't mean he doesn't want to someday be able to quit thieving, I think he's pretty much resigned to the fact that until he scores big, he's stuck in his "profession". And yes, I don't think there's much that Garrett hasn't seen/done.
(It's been a long time since I played T1; I remember thinking that Garrett had definitely fallen in love with Viktoria. Was that just wishful thinking? Or are you guys gonna make me go back & play it all over again in order to get that answer? :cheeky: )
Sendai on 19/12/2005 at 15:38
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I agree, Sendai. I think Garrett is pretty realistic about his life and VERY cynical about life in general. That doesn't mean he doesn't want to someday be able to quit thieving, I think he's pretty much resigned to the fact that until he scores big, he's stuck in his "profession". And yes, I don't think there's much that Garrett hasn't seen/done.
I think that's why I really liked Garrett as a character. I mean, really, the storyline is definitely unique, a combination of fantasy and steampunk, but's it the characters that defined it more for me. Garrett's a true professional and a genius in his trade. The topic of the thread asks whether he would really take the risks in real life and I think it's self defeating. I think the simple fact is a guy like Garrett is incapable of living a normal life. I hate to make the comparison, but Sam Fisher strikes me the same way often. When I was in Iraq, I met people like him (his personality, not the crazy acrobatics he does in the games) and some of these guys had 20+ years in their respective SOF. You talk about a colorful bunch.
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(It's been a long time since I played T1; I remember thinking that Garrett had definitely fallen in love with Viktoria. Was that just wishful thinking? Or are you guys gonna make me go back & play it all over again in order to get that answer? :cheeky: )
Hmm, no clue. I seem to remember thinking that Viktoria portrayed herself as she did to instantly have rapport with Garrett. Either she was an accomplished thief already, or she had established that background to get Garrett to do acquire the talismans/Eye. I mean, really, as much as an introvert as Garrett is, he's still human, and male. A female thief who shows as much dedication/skills as him is bound to catch his attention.
Though in Thief 2 when Viktoria assaults the Mechanist cathedral and eventually is taken down by the children of Karas or whatever those cannon ball firing bots were called (and really, it was just a retextured military bot from SS2...), he shows some definite concern and alarm over her.
Who knows. He does seem pretty empty hearted in Thief DS though. Colder too.
Dia on 19/12/2005 at 15:56
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..... He does seem pretty empty hearted in Thief DS though. Colder too.
Could his coldness, etc., be because Viktoria's dead by then?
....Sorry......the holidays turn me into a hopeless romantic.......
Sendai on 19/12/2005 at 16:05
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Could his coldness, etc., be because Viktoria's dead by then?
....Sorry......the holidays turn me into a hopeless romantic.......
You know, I'd like to think he was. He was pretty distraught at the end of TMA, after Karras blew himself up, and appealed to the Keepers to take him back into the fold. He said something like "was this in your scripture? Viktoria? Karas?" If i remember right, the Keeper (was it Orland??) said it was.
Besides...I'm a hopeless romantic too.
DarkElf_Mairead on 19/12/2005 at 23:28
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He said something like "was this in your scripture? Viktoria? Karas?" If i remember right, the Keeper (was it Orland??) said it was.
Yeah what was that about? That confused me.
Archangel on 20/12/2005 at 12:44
Not sure it's Garrett being a romantic... It seemed more like a resignation and finally acception that prophecies aren't just some nonsense the keepers toy around with - After all, Garrett is always very much against prophecies and tries running away from them - Only to have them smack him in the face (And pull out an eye).
Yorkist on 26/12/2005 at 20:52
Maybe that cynicism is why Garret does what he does. He's the ultimate loner no love life and no friends with alot of talent and no place to go, maybe for him breaking into places like the Cradle or the Cathedral do more than just pay the bills, they give him something to do. Sort of like getting your thrills in a way no one else would.
Archangel on 28/12/2005 at 13:39
He does what he does because he's good at it. And because of bragging rights. He doesn't think of himself as a thief, after all. "Master Thief" only. Remeber the forbidden libraries in T:DS? The book about Garret, and the comment Garret makes when you read it?
"I'm a Thief. And a damn good one."
That's all there is to it. He's a Master Thief, that can break anywhere, steal anything. He's got a reputation to keep, after all. I think that even if he would get a manor to live in on someone else's expense, he'd still be doing his old things... Because that's what he does. He's a Thief, and a damn good one.
