Shadak on 16/1/2008 at 00:47
So the past couple days I've finally delved into this campaign. I LOVE IT! I have a few complaints, but there is so much greatness that it by far outweights the problems.
Anyway, I can't play night 3. My computer always freezes up when trying to load night 3. Full hard crash. No one else has mentioned this, so I don't know if anyone will be able to help.
EDIT - I just got it to work. I "uninstalled" the mission in Darkloader 4.3 by installing back the OMs, then installed Seven Sisters again and tried again and it worked this time.
theBlackman on 16/1/2008 at 00:59
Whenever you quit an FM always, that is ALWAYS, do a INSTALL only of one of the original games.
Darkloader will do all kinds of crazy things if you don't. If you quit a FM and don't reinstall one of the original games.
Shadak on 16/1/2008 at 05:45
I don't know what you mean by that. Are you saying that you play a mission, save your progress because you're not done, exit the game, install OM, then turn off your computer? If I haven't finished that mission yet I never uninstall it. There is absolutely no reason to that I am aware of. I've been playing FMs using Darkloader for 9 years and have never had a problem.
Anyway, I've finished the campaign. VERY WELL DONE ROWENA! Woohoo!
Shadak on 16/1/2008 at 06:11
I just wanted to add a few comments:
I think this set of missions is the PERFECT difficulty! There were very many times that I didn't know quite what to do. Then I would find a subtle clue, some readable with a story about something, and it would give me an idea. Then lo and behold, that was the right thing! Every time! Perfect!
I really enjoyed this experience. All the hints were just right. All the puzzles were a little tricky, made you think, made you step back and look at the situation carefully, but were never too hard. I never once had to come read some answers or anything. I don't understand people who ask on the forums for almost EVERY puzzle in the game. I don't understand why those people are playing this game if they can't follow the hints and logic in a mission like this. But to each his own I guess, if they are having fun so be it.
I appreciated the very good use of textures in this campaign. Many times I found, for instance, a tile floor with a trapdoor section, and that trapdoor section would align perfectly with four of the tiles, so it looked realistic. Stuff like that, very well done and it's obvious Lady Rowena took time and care to do it right. THANK YOU!
The last mission (night 3) is extremely different from the first two, and I suspect that most people, like me, will have enjoyed the first two more. Now, I really liked the last mission! But the first two were better, the city is just more compelling, and there are all those great stories of all the inhabitants intertwining, something we can relate to as people in society, more than strange caves and monsters. Again though, I liked mission 3 still better than most other Thief missions, and it is a good long adventure to finish off the built up main story of the first two missions.
One of the best things about the missions were all the little hidden areas. I liked to climb up somewhere and then I find a secret little apartment through a window or something! I didn't mind finding a "fake" door inside the room, because it made it realistic that there is a "normal" way to get into the room, whereas I entered by an exotic method.
theBlackman on 16/1/2008 at 12:39
Quote Posted by Shadak
I don't know what you mean by that. Are you saying that you play a mission, save your progress because you're not done, exit the game, install OM, then turn off your computer? If I haven't finished that mission yet I never uninstall it. There is absolutely no reason to that I am aware of. I've been playing FMs using Darkloader for 9 years and have never had a problem.
Anyway, I've finished the campaign. VERY WELL DONE ROWENA! Woohoo!
You don't uninstall the FM. If Darkloader is setup correctly, then the game and your point of progress is exactly where you stopped.
The INSTALL only sets all flags to the original game (TDP etc) and has your FM saved in a special file. So you then start DARK, select whatever FM you want and continue to play.
But if you quit a FM and then quit Darkloader without clearing the FM, you can get the problems you just had above.
I have as many as 5 or 6 FM's going at the same time, and never have a problem. But Dark will, and has caused many problems with the files if you just keep a FM active.
If you haven't had any problems you are one of the lucky ones. It happens now and then.
klatremus on 16/1/2008 at 16:36
Finished this today. What an amazing mission pack! Thank you Lady Rowena!! :D
My LOOT LISTS can be found (
http://home.online.no/~ajnilsen/hn/hn.htm) here (click FMs then the bottom links). I am still short 150 on Night Three. Can anyone help me with that? I have found all the secrets. I didnt find any loot in the inner thief cave,
the one with the sister and the fight. If you remember getting some there, please let me know. You can refer to the lists to check with your findings.
klatremus on 16/1/2008 at 18:13
Got it! Was missing a nugget in the burricks caves, and a ring in the thieves' bathroom.
Thanks theBlackman! :D
nickie on 16/1/2008 at 21:03
Quote Posted by theBlackman
If you haven't had any problems you are one of the lucky ones. It happens now and then.
And when it does its a real bummer. When things went wrong for me after 4 trouble free years - I could only load 1 fm, nothing else would - I ended up having to uninstall Thief 2 and Darkloader, use CCleaner for stray registry entries, fresh install of Thief 2 and Darkloader then hours of looking for the various tweaks I'd used. I now have 4 copies of Thief 2 on my hard drive with relevant tweaks - just in case. :) I always install an OM before closing Darkloader now. Its only a few seconds.
And back on topic, I'm hopefully going to re-run on expert at the weekend so am really glad to have those lootlists klatremus.
Shadak on 16/1/2008 at 21:41
I don't see how it could possibly cause a problem. Darkloader is simply an automated system of copying and deleting files (and backing up some files too). I very strongly don't believe that my failing to "install" OM after each play session is what caused the problem. There's just nothing about that could cause any problem. To me it's rediculous. The only thing that could MAYBE cause a problem is if I was using Dromed inbetween and messing with resources that had been installed with the FM.
It's much more likely that the initial "install" of the mission through Darkloader unzipped something improperly, something related to the third mission, so that by the time I got to that point in the campaign the error, which had existed all along, finally reared it's ugly head. Simply uninstalling and reinstalling the mission gave it a chance to get it right, which it did. I'm not about to start taking an extra unneccesary step every time I stop playing for no good reason.
Lady Rowena on 16/1/2008 at 22:07
I don't think that theBlackman was suggesting you to install OMs after each play session and to uninstall the mission that you are currently playing. I think that he was suggesting to do it if you want to switch to another FM, which is reasonable.
I happened to me several times to still to still see the custom resources of a previous mission that I had played, if I didn't properly uninstalled it. (which I rarely do, to be honest ;))
BTW, thank you for the kind comments. I'm very happy that ypu enjoyed it! :)
