Shitstorm in OpenGL rendered Hell. - by Volitions Advocate
june gloom on 14/4/2010 at 16:26
While it's true that he contributed a great deal by bringing a real OpenGL port of ZDoom (ZDoomGL is terrible) and while it's true that it's his right to take his work down, it was a dick move that underlined his crippling attitude problem. He can't handle criticism, and in response to it he pulls the same sort of shit I see self-important internet artists doing like every other week, taking down all their art because someone pointed out a mistake. He's a big prima donna and it's finally come and bit him in the ass.
Just because he has a right to delete all his shit doesn't mean he has an excuse- at the very least he could have left it up for someone else who still cared and didn't have overriding personality disorders to work with.
Assidragon on 14/4/2010 at 16:36
Yeah, but see, that's the point I don't get. So he was an idiot and took it down, boo. There's like a few thousands other than him who do that. Where's the outrage/shitstorm I was promised?
Edit: He doesn't - shouldn't - need an excuse for deleting what wrote himself. If somebody's nice enough to pass his work onto others, yay, let them be. But that's what it is - a gift, and not something that someone HAS to do.
What is a bit more annoying to me is that people are so happy about keeping the code he wrote. Really outlines what I hate in GPL.
Bluegrime on 14/4/2010 at 18:09
I'm with Assidragon on this one. The dude had every right to delete his work, given that he was the one who made it.. This wasn't a moderator destroying other peoples work over a flamewar or some huge act of dickery, it was just someone getting fed up with a community and taking their work with them. And seeing as it was a free, solo project that he did with his own time/resources, he's got every right to do that.
That said, the dude does sound like a real cockbagger. I just disagree with people complaining about this like they paid money for the software.
june gloom on 14/4/2010 at 19:54
Here's the thing- I'm not debating whether he has the right to delete it. What I am saying is, the act of deleting all his work in a hissy fit was completely childish. If he's going to deny something to many because of his frustration with a few... well, that's a dick move.
Volitions Advocate on 14/4/2010 at 20:44
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What is a bit more annoying to me is that people are so happy about keeping the code he wrote. Really outlines what I hate in GPL.
if it weren't for the GPL his project never would have started. I makes sense to me that people are allowed to keep his code, It is after all the generosity of id and some enterprising individual that gave us zdoom. If he has the right to the source code, of the project he built gzdoom on, we have the right to his code.
I'm no GNU/GPL hardliner or anything, but I believe in the GPL as much as I believe in getting paid for my work.
Like I said, I'm not privy to much of the history, but I'm with Dethtoll on this one. Not that other people in that forum were all that much better in the douchebaggery department, I think his reaction is pretty childish.
On the other hand.. why should I care? I can still play using GZdoom and somebody else may pick up on the code to make it better. .. or maybe not. I'm still playing regardless.
Assidragon on 14/4/2010 at 20:59
I don't know, I haven't read too many positive things there. Were so many people really using this port?
Seriously, it's just an OpenGL port of ZDoom. Do people so really care if they use OGL or DX?
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Quote Posted by Volitions Advocate
if it weren't for the GPL his project never would have started. I makes sense to me that people are allowed to keep his code, It is after all the generosity of id and some enterprising individual that gave us zdoom. If he has the right to the source code, of the project he built gzdoom on, we have the right to his code.
This much is true.
Quote Posted by Volitions Advocate
I'm no GNU/GPL hardliner or anything, but I believe in the GPL as much as I believe in getting paid for my work.
Lucky for you; I avoid it like the plague. It really reminds me of communism where anything you do aint yours. Don't get me wrong - I don't mind people using my stuff for free, or actually basing their projects on them. But I loathe the idea that I'd have to completely give up any sort of control over my creation.
june gloom on 14/4/2010 at 21:00
Quote Posted by Assidragon
I don't know, I haven't read too many positive things there. Were so many people really using this port?
YES. In fact it's often the port of choice, especially in recent years.
Assidragon on 14/4/2010 at 21:09
Wait, one guy completely outdid ZDoom? Or simply noone else cared?
ZylonBane on 14/4/2010 at 21:11
Quote Posted by Assidragon
Lucky for you; I avoid it like the plague. It really reminds me of communism where anything you do aint yours. Don't get me wrong - I don't mind people using my stuff for free, or actually basing their projects on them. But I loathe the idea that I'd have to completely give up any sort of control over my creation.
Then thank god all programmers aren't like you. If they were, most significant open-source software WOULDN'T EXIST.
Assidragon on 14/4/2010 at 21:22
How is one licencing type related to the existence of open source softwares? It's not like important open source projects (like the linux kernel) weren't already developed by companies who plan to later sell it, or present it as competitor product against other companies they don't like. There's demand, so there's bound to be supply. They'd just use a different licence.
