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june gloom on 14/4/2010 at 21:51
Quote Posted by Assidragon
Wait, one guy completely outdid ZDoom? Or simply noone else cared?
You don't really know much about the Doom community, do you.
Assidragon on 14/4/2010 at 21:58
I'm not afraid to admit that I don't. I have an ages old copy of ZDoom that still faithfully does it's duty, that's roughly all.
ZylonBane on 14/4/2010 at 22:06
Quote Posted by Assidragon
How is one licencing type related to the existence of open source softwares?
You've entirely missed the point. It's not about specific licenses, it's about being willing to give up control over what you've written. That's the very foundation of open source software.
june gloom on 14/4/2010 at 22:06
GZDoom was a fork of Zdoom that was designed to bring a workable, nonshitty GL solution to ZDoom, something ZDoomGL failed miserably at. It also brought in many, many new features, such as the Fragglescript language (which at the time was a big splash, because the other big port, Legacy, which used Fragglescript, had not been updated in years, and adding FS to GZDoom meant old Legacy maps were playable again.) Many of the fixes Graf put in were later forked back into ZDoom, and Skulltag eventually took up the GZDoom code as well. So your comment that "it's just an openGL port of ZDoom" is staggeringly ignorant.
Assidragon on 14/4/2010 at 22:22
Hey, you say I'm staggeringly ignorant as if I didn't already say so myself. :cheeky: I use a so old ZDoom that it likely dates back to WAY before Graf were around, so meh, I didn't know and actually didn't care much.
But what you say just underlines that the Doom community managed to rid itself of one of the best assets, idiot or not. It also just reinforces how much work Graf did himself, and to me, it's another reason why I feel that it was in his right to do what he did. Even if he's a douche for doing so.
Quote Posted by ZylonBane
You've entirely missed the point. It's not about specific licenses, it's about being willing to give up control over what you've written. That's the very foundation of open source software.
Thanks, communism was tried right where I live and as a first-hand experience, let me tell you it didn't work out so well.
june gloom on 14/4/2010 at 22:28
The Doom community didn't do anything. Nobody held a gun to Graf's head and made him delete fucking everything in a bitchfit. He had the right to do so, but it was an extremely douchey move and what does it prove? He posted the sources as well, other people have those sources and will take up the reins- barring, that is, his crawling back in a week begging for forgiveness. In the end, very little has changed, if indeed anything at all- the community is just short a douchebag.
Related: I don't want to get too far into the open source argument, except to mention that your communism argument doesn't hold up because making your work open source is a voluntary act.
ZylonBane on 14/4/2010 at 22:31
Quote Posted by Assidragon
Thanks, communism was tried right where I live and as a first-hand experience, let me tell you it didn't work out so well.
Contributing to Open Source Software is entirely voluntary, and you're an idiot.
Assidragon on 14/4/2010 at 22:50
Quote Posted by dethtoll
The Doom community didn't do anything. Nobody held a gun to Graf's head and made him delete fucking everything in a bitchfit.
Well, it seemed everyone felt content saying GZDoom sucked in that particular thread. At least until he deleted everything. Which might or might not be an indication of how things went there. I especially liked the guy who claims to be a programmer, posts a whole heap of debug data and uses it to bash GZDoom. Why didn't he fix those things himself?
Also, is it just me or Graf actually had the nerve to come back and basically say "I still have it but you have to beeeeeeeeeeeg for it"? :wot:
Quote Posted by dethtoll
Related: I don't want to get too far into the open source argument, except to mention that your communism argument doesn't hold up because making your work open source is a voluntary act.
Quote Posted by ZylonBane
Contributing to Open Source Software is entirely voluntary, and you're an idiot.
I've been considering you an idiot since even before I first joined this forum, ZB.
And well, IMHO it is hard to deny it's a communist idea. Everything is equally shared between everyone where individuals don't posses anything at all - everything belongs to the community. That was the basic premise of communism, as far as resouce allocation went. Sounds familiar?
And I never said OSS was obligatory. Heck, I said I don't like one of it's primary licensing types, and I'll be staying clear of it. Again: I don't mind having people use your work free; but completely abandoning any kind of right over it is a step beyond I'd take. 's all. Sorry for bring the thread off-topic, my fault.
june gloom on 14/4/2010 at 23:08
Actually no, I think it's very on-topic because it gets right to the heart of the matter of Graf's little temper tantrum.
dvrabel on 15/4/2010 at 00:04
Quote Posted by Assidragon
but completely abandoning any kind of right
Can you explain what rights you're abandoning? The GPL grants rights to others; it doesn't take away those you have.
