Nameless Voice on 9/8/2010 at 01:55
Quote Posted by dethtoll
Let's face it, the industry sucks for everyone right now. Unless you're
Blizzard, Jim Sterling, or Fragony.
Wrong. Blizzard are doing it now, too, at least with their services.
june gloom on 9/8/2010 at 02:58
I said that 2 whole days before SC2 came out. They almost got through the Real ID thing relatively unscathed, but with SC2 the bottom fell out.
Nameless Voice on 9/8/2010 at 12:22
For some reason, I'm reminded of a line from The Dark Knight: "You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
EvaUnit02 on 9/8/2010 at 13:30
Even after the removal of LAN support all those months ago, you still worshipped at Blizzard's altar? Talk about letting someone get away with murder.
june gloom on 9/8/2010 at 14:14
Dude, have you really been paying attention all these years? If I've been praying for anything it's for Blizzard's demise.
EvaUnit02 on 9/8/2010 at 14:26
I don't play MMOs, so I couldn't give two shits about WoW. That being said, it's hardly "a cancer". If some enjoy a particular game, then good for them. What skin is it off my back? I don't give two shits. Pigs will always love to wallow in shit, who am I to deny them? (
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130985&p=1980773&highlight=wow+addict#post1980773) If people are addicted to it and their real lives are ruined as a result, it's their own fucking fault, not the game's.
Blizzard should burn to the fucking ground for all of the Game Workshop plagiarism though.
Nameless Voice on 9/8/2010 at 14:35
Why does everyone always yammer on about this nonsense about it all being ripped off from Warhammer? Warcraft originally might have been, as it was originally aimed as a Warhammer game that didn't work out, and they changed things around so that it was its own IP, but the later Warcrafts and Starcraft are amalgamations of a lot of lot of stuff stolen from tons of different sources.
Starcraft was originally inspired by Starship Troopers (the film).
"To steal from one person is plagiarism. To steal from many is research."
Personally, I have no interest in WoW, and I think it's basically ruining what little narrative and character development the Warcraft 3 universe had managed to build, but I love their strategy games. Starcraft was great, and apart from the trainwreck that is Battle.net 2.0, Starcraft 2 looks to be following the trend. I loved Warcraft 2 back in the day, though it really hasn't aged well, and Warcraft 3 was never really as good as Starcraft, but it was still good fun at the time.
june gloom on 9/8/2010 at 14:50
I don't play MMOs either. That's not the point.
The point is that Blizzard made an MMO model so incredibly successful that other companies spent years trying to ape it. For a terrifying few years, I watched as promising projects were dropped in favour of some ill-fated MMO. Developers consistently failed to realize two things:
A) They didn't have the money or manpower for the massive task of maintaining the MMO.
2) what Blizzard managed to pull off was a massive fluke (making an MMO with mass appeal) and will likely never happen again.
How many MMOs have gotten a lot of hype and bombed horribly? Would they have bombed if WoW wasn't around? Or would they have merely achieved moderate success among the poopsockers who've been doing this since Ultima Online was relevant?
WoW, like most MMOs, takes your money every month for something that never ends; and unless you can wrench yourself away from it, all those games you could've bought are not being bought. Now consider that you (general, MMO-playing you, not the specific Evabot you) and millions of other people are doing the same thing- playing WoW and not buying anything else because it's not WoW. The popularity of a regular game eventually wanes, and sales normalize. WoW has remained popular since the Crimean War and sales are only just beginning to normalize.
Blizzard and WoW aren't making new gamers, or drawing console gamers to PC. They're making new WoW players.
That is what is meant when WoW is called a cancer on gaming. Fortunately, it seems to be losing steam on a daily basis, with people leaving in droves (especially after the Real ID thing) and fears of a partial industry collapse (particularly in this economy) were largely unfounded, but holy fuck it was not fun to watch the industry shit itself.
[edit] dammit NV get out of the way, someone else prove him wrong please i need to go back to bed i have run out of oratory for the morning
Nameless Voice on 9/8/2010 at 14:55
That long rant makes sense to me.
I'd long wished Blizzard would just stick with strategy games instead of messing with MMOs, but... I can't really blame them for going where the money is for something so successful, even if I don't like it.
Koki on 10/8/2010 at 05:16
Quote Posted by EvaUnit02
I don't play MMOs, so I couldn't give two shits about WoW. That being said, it's hardly "a cancer". If some enjoy a particular game, then good for them. What skin is it off my back?
The skin off your back is that the market follows successful models. WoW is hugely successful and now every MMO tries to ape it. So if you don't like WoW, good luck finding a MMO that's different(and if you do like WoW you're playing WoW and not something else, making the whole exercise utterly pointless).
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Game Workshop plagiarism though.
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